Reply With Quote$50k is not an excessive price for an EV.Originally Posted by Homestar
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SubscriberYep, I sometimes wonder how many people are dying because of this and other similar things. Not sure if any research is being done but you have to wonder why cancer rates are skyrocketing...Yes, like Benzene that wonderful carcinogen from Petrol...
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$50k is not an excessive price for an EV.
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SupporterUntil you realise that the equivalent type and specced vehicle in ICE form is about 20K.
Then comes the cost of operation over the long haul .. ie. battery replacement cost!
Arthur.
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SubscriberAgree with AK83 - it’s a huge outlay for a family of they can get an equivalent for under half the price. I’ve never spent anything close to $50K on a vehicle in my life - if you don’t think that’s expensive your bank balance must look very different from what mine ever has.
Ask any family who’s running a budget that doesn’t include being able to save any money if they’d pay twice the price for a car than they need to.
It’s wishful thinking to say they aren’t expensive when you actually look at how the majority live and what they can afford. EV’s are a luxury item, plain and simple, not a replacement for ICE vehicle in this country at this time - not by a long shot.
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The Hyundai Ioniq, which comes in several versions, is only $4k more for the EV than the hybrid and about $10k more than the base model.
2019 Hyundai Ioniq pricing and specs | CarAdvice
It's not hard to spend $50k on a new vehicle nowadays.
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Tell that to the unemployed, under-employed and those trying to support a family while earning $25 an hour, or less. You can't be that far out of touch, Mike.
Do you think that those who drive VT Commodores with bald tyres could afford to chuck $50,000 at any type of car?
If you don't like trucks, stop buying stuff.
Said to have been 1715 deaths in Australia in 2015.Yep, I sometimes wonder how many people are dying because of this and other similar things. Not sure if any research is being done but you have to wonder why cancer rates are skyrocketing...
NSW road toll should include deaths from poisonous vehicle emissions: report
That's more than the 1137 road deaths in 2018.
Safety Statistics
So, vehicle emissions kill more Australians than road crashes.
So, why aren't the authorities concentrating on vehicle emissions if they want to make our roads safer?
Fact remains, $50k is about middle of the pack for new vehicles today.
Doesn't mean I'm buying one for that price, it's just a fact of life.
OldBushie
Modern petrols are quite economical. For example, my diesel landy uses approx 2L/100 less than my petrol 4x4, it also weighs approx 500kg less, and has approx 200kw less power too. The petrol 4by stacks up pretty darn good in my opinion.
TopicToaster
Supporterabout 50K for the primary family vehicle seems to be about the norm.
The Ioniq is basically an i30(same size .. dunno about the actual genetics of the ioniq) .. so Ioniq to i30 is a reasonable comparison.
Weight is where the EV version falls a little, in that it's kerb weight is ~100kg's heavier than the ICE i30's(near on 200kg compared to the base model i30's).
That includes the CRD(and DCT 7speeders too).
So on average the weight carrying ability of the Ioniq is hampered by near on 100kg compared to an i30.
Those CRDs use very little fuel, so in terms of overall cost, over the lifetime of the car, will be very low if you do high mileage.
Compare the fuel consumption of the hybrid Ioniq to the CRD i30 .. it makes no sense(basically the same).
What I don't get(and cost is what it's primarily about) .. why don't they use a small CRD hybrid, instead of a petrol motor for them?
cheapo(non base) model CRD is in the 28-29K price range, and I think goes up to about 39K for the top spec diesel.
10K buys a lot of diesel and services.
And in terms of quoted CO2 outputs, the hybrids aren't all that lower than the CRD models .... 79-82 g/klm(hybrid) vs 119-124 g/klm(CRD) ... petrol model i30's are in the 170g/km range by comparison.
So the hybrids really make less sense compared to the CRD models in terms of overall ... everything ... other than the caché of announcing to your friends that you own a hybrid!
As has been reiterated over and over .. in this country EVs make very little economic sense, and it's not the fault of the design types .. you expect that new gen tech is going to cost.
The fault lies squarely with the Govt!(and this is not political, just the way it is).
Until the Govt do rebates for EV uptake, like many countries in Europe do, EVs will lag behind in terms of potential sales growth.
If the price difference between EV and ICE was more along the lines of a petrol-diesel price difference .. say $3K-$5K, as has been common for generations .. EVs sales would probably skyrocket, especially if it's a smaller 'second' family runabout and not required to do the family holiday/long distance runs.
Arthur.
All these discos are giving me a heart attack!
'99 D1 300Tdi Auto ( now sold :( )
'03 D2 Td5 Auto
'03 D2a Td5 Auto
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