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Like the new patrol .... that apparently gets about 35L/100 towing ( v8 petrol ) rather than the ~ 15L/100 most diesels return towing .... If petrols were even remotely .... anywhere in this world close to the economy of a diesel..... diesel would be dead and gone in passenger cars and 4wds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
seeya,
Shane l.
Funny you mention that Shane.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
Brother's first 4WD was a GU Patrol 4.5l .. against my recommendation.
After a year of getting roughly 30l/100, and more like 35l/100 when loaded for a camp trip .. and also it's overheating issues .. he sold it and later bought his D2 Td5.
D2 has cost him a bit(in repairs) due to negligent and not so professional service and repairs by previous owners, but I reckon he's saved about that amount just in fuel costs(in updating to the D2)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not criticising the patrol. I'm betting its an absolutely phenomenal vehicle .... I was just trying to say why I think diesels are still very prevalent and will continue to be for a very long time yet! At least in Australia and America where we drive larger vehicles and a lot of us like towing stupidly "big things" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AK83
seeya,
Shane L.
I’ll stick with my $700 Camry - that falls within my budget, I’ll never spend $50K on a car and a lot of people I know wouldn’t and couldn’t even if they wanted to.
Do you really believe that every family in the country can afford that? Seriously...
well I bought a poogoe 407 for my wife 7 years ago .... $16K ... the most I have ever in my entire life spent on a car. Its actually been good to have a modern car I don't need to work on all the time. Its now basically worthless. My ****boxes.... well the ****box range rover I bought a few years back now seems to be worth about 3 times the amount I paid for it. the old Citroen D's seem to be worth about 15 times what I paid for them a decade ago ... my Citroen CX turbo ..... well ... who knows, its either worth nothing ..... (if no-one is looking to buy one) or something if two people in Australia are looking to buy one at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
I just spotted a lovely old 2.5l v8 diamler jump up on facebook for $10k .... it looks bloody lovely in the photos .... if I was forced to buy a "new" car I'd be heading over there to look at it now :roflmao: It would be the 2nd most expensive car I've ever purchased ... but they sure don't make anything like that anymore.
$50K on a new car? Like you there's not a hope in hell.... I've a young family to raise and a house to pay off on a single income. I can't think of anything stupider than spending huge amounts of money leasing a new car ... that is a massively depreciating asset.... Not asset... the word I'm looking for is "liability".
I'm certainly glad people out there do buy all these new cars though .................... Otherwise in 30years time there would be nothing around for me to drive [bigrolf] [bighmmm]
seeya,
Shane L.
I didn't say that, so why are you even asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
Just look at sales of new vehicles and their prices. Plenty of $50k vehicles around. You priced a Hilux lately?
Agreed there are plenty of $50K vehicles around, my point was there won’t be an uptake of EV’s when the cheapest is $50K - it just won’t happen. As for the Hilux, I wouldn’t buy one of those either, nor any of its competitors when I could buy an old banger for around $10K that would keep me out of trouble for years, what second hand EV options are there for those that can’t - or simply won’t (like me) buy a new vehicle?
Me either, but 1.1 million new vehicles were sold in Australia last year, and plenty cost more than $50k.
It's interesting to stand in any car park and total up the millions of dollars in vehicles there.
Have a look on some of the Tojo forums,and see what sort of economy the later diesel LC's get towing large 3T plus vans.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
If they get less than 21l/100k,they are doing well
Around town not towing they are generally getting 14's.
Other vehicles such as the D4 may use slightly less,but not much less.Mine is lucky to get less than 12.5 to 13.5l/100 around town.
On a run loaded,around 10.5 to 11.5,empty around 9.5L/100.Towing around 2.6T,which is the heaviest van i have towed,around 15 to 18l/100 depending on the wind.
Sure the very latest Patrol with the updated enginel will use slightly more,as an example,but its the issues with the diesels that off set the slightly worse economy.
Injectors,DPF's,EGRs,Turbos,etc,etc.
And the mods that are fitted,catch cans,larger fuel filters,etc,etc.
It would be interesting to find out how many have been bought privately with borrowed money.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
Quite a few would also be leased company cars.
I would never borrow for a vehicle,but many do.
My theory,which is probably old school,is if we don't have the cash for it,we won't be getting it.