Australians turn their backs on Holden

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Originally Posted by johntins

Given that I don't care one way or the other, I'd suggest you give your own specs a polish. I have no brand loyalty ( sure, I did once), but I would be interested to hear your take on what "Holden is doing". Apart from dying, that is. I, for one, would be pleased to hear that Holden is as engaged in the Asia/Pacific region as Ford Australia is. If, in fact they are, then they need to tell people about it.

I repeat, I would LOVE for Holden to be engaged here. I grew up with the Big Two and a Half. I would love for the Holden name to continue to mean something. That, however, is their job, not mine. Maybe that's a job for you?

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Let that venom out, you be that person. :lol2:

Specs... pfft, laughable you are.

What, are you seriously saying now that you have no idea of what Holden are doing after your "Bara the world" thesis. You can google it.

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Originally Posted by johntins

Can you run that by me again? Not sure of the sarcasm you refer to. Did you miss a "quote" thing or something?

Anyway, If you detected sarcasm, it wasn't directed at Gav, but at GM. They took us for granted for decades, but ran away at the first sign of trouble ( OK, OK, not the FIRST sign ).

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Oh, OK, I get it. Sure, it was a little sarcastic, but it wasn't directed at Gav. This topic has arisen in one form or another often. It's a topic that is close to my heart, only in the sense that I follow a football club.

I grew up as an associate Member of the Rolls Royce Owners Club. No, I didn't have a RR, and neither did my folks, bur someone we knew did, and he was 'important'. 1950s remember. My mates at school however thought Holden were the best ( Labor, Chiffley, all that.. I was a part of the Liberals. Menzies etc... ) I wasn't the same as them, and the point of difference I could find was Ford. Holden was Red ( yes, even then ) and Ford was blue ( always was ), and rivalry was born. Tribalism. Once forged, never broken..Blah blah. Bit it meant something back then, worthless tough it really was.

So. I chose Ford. I would argue black and white that Ford beat Holden..... (Sorry, Slunnie, I was a teenager... Perhaps you still are. I don't know.) I believed that a Ford was the Best. The antics during the Le Mans stuff showed that people as exalted as Henry Ford II and Enzo Ferrari could be just as foolish helps a little, and they didn't resolve the issue.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Let that venom out, you be that person. :lol2:

Specs... pfft, laughable you are.

What, are you seriously saying now that you have no idea of what Holden are doing after your "Bara the world" thesis. You can google it.

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Oh dear, do you have some old thing you'd like to deal with??

Have you not got over the fact that you are no more important than anyone else? Are you not as important as you'd like to be, Slunnie?



Give me what "Holden is doing now" ...I can't wait.

Tribalism... would you believe that in my classes (no, I'm not a teenager), the kids are divided between Ford and Holden, but they're all united in their love for Toyota! Needless to say, the LandRover/Toyota banter is terrific! :lol2:

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Originally Posted by johntins

Oh dear, do you have some old thing you'd like to deal with??

Have you not got over the fact that you are no more important than anyone else? Are you not as important as you'd like to be, Slunnie?



Give me what "Holden is doing now" ...I can't wait.

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Let it flow. :lol2:

Google it.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Tribalism... would you believe that in my classes (no, I'm not a teenager), the kids are divided between Ford and Holden, but they're all united in their love for Toyota! Needless to say, the LandRover/Toyota banter is terrific! :lol2:

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OK, You've given me new hope. I have a long memory, Slunnie, and you had a go at me a while back.... If this is about something else then let it fly. Yes, I believe that they love Toyos, and I don't blame them, much as it hurts. The things work.

Sometimes, Slunnie, I think we need to meet, at some level, in order to know who we are.

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Originally Posted by johntins

OK, You've given me new hope. I have a long memory, Slunnie, and you had a go at me a while back.... If this is about something else then let it fly. Yes, I believe that they love Toyos, and I don't blame them, much as it hurts. The things work.

Sometimes, Slunnie, I think we need to meet, at some level, in order to know who we are.

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Darn it. I say we shift the clock, and I don't care where we shift it it to, and we ditch daylight saving. That way we could hav an iintelligent conversation...

I'm sure Slunnie and I can manage that... Maybe...

So, Homestar writes “ Australian’s turn their backs on Holden”

Eevo writes. “ Holden GM turns their backs on Australians”

Why all the ensuing fuss? and why isn’t Tasmania mentioned ?

Jeez, this subject has been "done to death", but here's a pretty good article on the subject, probably the most balanced I've read, and it's a "balance" that's needed when discussing an emotive subject like this, because there's PLENTY of stuff, over MANY years, that contributed to Holden's current situation. Please pay particular attention to what M.D. Peter Hanenberger contributed, and that particularly after He left, all major decisions were made by Detroit.
Why it failed: One year on from Holden’s Aussie factory closure
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by Hogarthde

and why isn’t Tasmania mentioned ?

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prob cause they still use the horse n cart done there