Thread: Australians turn their backs on Holden

Originally Posted by scarry

All they want today is a diesel powered dual cab why wux,that does a once a year trip to Inskip point.

Is that because they're too crap to make it to the barge.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Disagree big time.
The VF was recognized as a very good car, a VERY good 4 door sedan, in fact the best of the best, '"IF", that is the sort of car you're looking for. Problem was, for the "evolutionary" Aussie car market, as it evolved,..... it wasn't.
The VF Commodore was a very very good car, anyone that owned one wouldn't have any complaints, well of course there's always some who wouldn't even be happy with a Rolls Royce.
But for say carting a family & their luggage Melbourne to Brisbane say, in an easy "loping" relaxed manner, there was none better, IF ya wanted a 4 door "conventional" sedan. Trouble is, Aussie car buyers had moved on,..it was not what the majority of buyers were looking for.
Pickles.

How much better was the VF over the VE? It would have had to be a quantum leap to make me want one. I had a VE for 4 years for work and it was the worst Commodore I’ve ever had. I’ve owned VB, VH, VK, VN, VR, VT and VE commodores and the VE was the most uncomfortable and the engine and gearbox could never figure out what the other was doing and at times was damn near dangerous when you went to drive off from a stop and nothing happened for a second every so often. Also had the most road noise - all over, a big step backwards from the VT IMO. Add to that a tilt tray trip a year for electrical issues, and when it left with just on 200,000KM on it, it was basically scrap metal. All my others did well over 200KKM and all were in far better condition. The VB, VN and VT were the best ones I had.

Originally Posted by pop058

Not sure what the model is but the one just before the FX.

48/215, FX was never an official designation.

Originally Posted by BathurstTom

So Farmers, thousands of checkout operators, disabled workers etc should lose their jobs and be subsidised at a higher rate (Dole) by us? The loss of spending power of these people and the loss if income through farming activities will certainly help kill the economy. Hence why it is shortsighted.

if your going to do that, then apply it to every company out there, not just the popular ones.

Originally Posted by rick130

The big issue is that rest of the world doesn't play by free market rules, subsidising their own industries, engaging in dumping practices, engaging in large tariffs, quotas, etc to restrict imports/competition, etc.

Free market, laissaiz faire economics just doesn't work in the real world

i disagree. its supporting inefficient industries. why are we supporting inefficiencies?
the money could be better spend elsewhere

Originally Posted by Eevo

i disagree. its supporting inefficient industries. why are we supporting inefficiencies?
the money could be better spend elsewhere

We could have just started taxing Religious organisations. The income from that could have funded the car industry for generations

Originally Posted by Eevo

i disagree. its supporting inefficient industries. why are we supporting inefficiencies?
the money could be better spend elsewhere

Sometimes supporting an inefficient industry is good strategically in case there are world events that preclude importation for some years. It's not likely at present but things can change suddenly and unexpectedly. For the same reason we should be able to extract and process our own oil to diesel and petrol. It doesn't have to be 100%, just enough that we can manage for a while until it gets ramped up, if the need arises. Not all industries have a strategic value, but some do.

Mike

Originally Posted by Eevo

i disagree. its supporting inefficient industries. why are we supporting inefficiencies?
the money could be better spend elsewhere

So we don't support car manufacturers, farmers, disabled people etc (this includes all the other companies you care to name) in a responsible way and let them all lose their jobs. This results in the farming income and tax paid on wages being lost. Maybe you could explain how losing farm income, PAYE tax and paying these people the dole out of our tax instead saves us money? How is that better spent?