How Reliable Is Land Rover Now?

LR reliability,fit and finish,and attention to detail has improved massively over the last twenty years.

That’s without including the last of the Defenders.

But the vehicles have become more complicated,so there is more to fail,and maintenance costs have increased dramatically.

And,in my opinion,they still don’t have the reliability of some of the other brands.

That’s from owning and driving other brands day in,day out,not just hear say from someone or somewhere.

If other brands can do 300 000k’s,in ten years,without a single repair or niggle,surely others can as well,None of the LR,s I have had have got to 50 000k without some sort of issue,they were all bought new.

So Tombie, you are saying 4 hrs off, 4 hours on,one tech?

From what I have heard its about 6 on 6 off,if for one tech,at dealers rates,it’s still around $3000K,then add labour for the repair,parts,etc.

Huge costs,but only needed for a relatively major repair.

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Originally Posted by scarry

LR reliability,fit and finish,and attention to detail has improved massively over the last twenty years.

That’s without including the last of the Defenders.

But the vehicles have become more complicated,so there is more to fail,and maintenance costs have increased dramatically.

And,in my opinion,they still don’t have the reliability of some of the other brands.

That’s from owning and driving other brands day in,day out,not just hear say from someone or somewhere.

If other brands can do 300 000k’s,in ten years,without a single repair or niggle,surely others can as well,None of the LR,s I have had have got to 50 000k without some sort of issue,they were all bought new.

So Tombie, you are saying 4 hrs off, 4 hours on,one tech?

From what I have heard its about 6 on 6 off,if for one tech,at dealers rates,it’s still around $3000K,then add labour for the repair,parts,etc.

Huge costs,but only needed for a relatively major repair.

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Good points, but to be fair, i will add, Its relatively easy to get 300ks out of a van or a 2wd without an issue but very hard for any manufacturer of a proper dual purpose 4x4.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Good points, but to be fair, i will add, Its relatively easy to get 300ks out of a van or a 2wd without an issue but very hard for any manufacturer of a proper dual purpose 4x4.

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Yes agree,100%,but you would think 150 000K would be achievable,that is without a lot of arduous work,and serviced correctly.
I am sure many that have issues,no matter what brand, are not serviced properly,on time,or whatever,or tuned,modified,etc.

Sure 2wd cars,vans,etc,don't have transfer cases,front axles,EAS,but they are pretty complicated these days,with heaps of safety features,traction control,hill start assist,stability control,etc,etc,etc.Even the later bare bones commercial vehicles have all this.

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Tombie are you trying to convince me that LR has more working vehciles and fleet vehciles than Toyota world wide? N=1 does not equate to the whole world.

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No, you’re reading words into something that wasn’t written.

Context of N=1 doesn’t apply when there are more than 1 [emoji6]

Certainly Toyota were very aggressive with their fleet deals and there are a lot of them out there.

But a heck of a lot aren’t doing “work” - Prado was the ultimate middle income soccer mum vehicle.

Just like a significant portion of LR Defenders don’t do work either - they’re enthusiast vehicles.

Without defining Work we can’t set that standard now. All new fleet vehicles on 4 mines I’m aware of are now all Ford. Most don’t do any “work” more just transport. The working vehicles are now all LTs.

Living on reputation is all Toyota has left, once the benchmark of reliability and QAQC they are now on a level playing field. Whether others caught up or they slipped backwards is a mater of conjecture.

The world has moved on, we see it here all the time. People building amazing vehicles, every bell & whistle, making their vehicle unique to them. It’s what humans do. In reality they could go to places and do things without 3/4 of the gear - what’s the fun in that though?

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Originally Posted by scarry

LR reliability,fit and finish,and attention to detail has improved massively over the last twenty years.

That’s without including the last of the Defenders.

But the vehicles have become more complicated,so there is more to fail,and maintenance costs have increased dramatically.

And,in my opinion,they still don’t have the reliability of some of the other brands.

That’s from owning and driving other brands day in,day out,not just hear say from someone or somewhere.

If other brands can do 300 000k’s,in ten years,without a single repair or niggle,surely others can as well,None of the LR,s I have had have got to 50 000k without some sort of issue,they were all bought new.

So Tombie, you are saying 4 hrs off, 4 hours on,one tech?

From what I have heard its about 6 on 6 off,if for one tech,at dealers rates,it’s still around $3000K,then add labour for the repair,parts,etc.

Huge costs,but only needed for a relatively major repair.

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My dealer rate is $130/hr

They also when asked will fixed quote a job - that can work in favour.

And yes, 4 hours each way as long as the owner hasn’t done something silly with Auxiliary wiring etc.


No brand on our sites makes it 50k without a major component being replaced. That’s all the brands out here: VW, Ford, Toyota, Iveco... road going units easily do - think Managers vehicles which never go beyond parking bays.

Mud = Money.... see it all the time.

Bitumen is an easy life [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

My dealer rate is $130/hr

They also when asked will fixed quote a job - that can work in favour.

And yes, 4 hours each way as long as the owner hasn’t done something silly with Auxiliary wiring etc.

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The dealer here is $230/hr last time i checked.

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Rangers have a Defender engine [bigwhistle] and 300tdi Discos are tough and cheap.

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Only the baby ones... and in a Ranger they’re totally gutless, lag like crazy.

The 3.2 have plenty of poke, tune up nice and sound just like a TD5.

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Originally Posted by scarry

The dealer here is $230/hr last time i checked.

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Ouch!!!!

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Originally Posted by Tombie

My dealer rate is $130/hr

They also when asked will fixed quote a job - that can work in favour.

And yes, 4 hours each way as long as the owner hasn’t done something silly with Auxiliary wiring etc.


No brand on our sites makes it 50k without a major component being replaced. That’s all the brands out here: VW, Ford, Toyota, Iveco... road going units easily do - think Managers vehicles which never go beyond parking bays.

Mud = Money.... see it all the time.

Bitumen is an easy life [emoji6]

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Thats pretty good for a dealer, my local LR independant is around that

A lot of warranty issues are caused by parts from external suppliers.

My current daily driver (tarmac, Australian made) had a diff replaced due to noise (Dana) a wheel bearing replaced due to noise (no idea who the supplier was) and at 110,000km is just getting a driveshaft due to grease coming from the UJ (Dana again?). Same vehicle purchased 5 years earlier had no problems !

It doesn't matter how much testing a manufacturer does they are in the hands of their component suppliers. As each year goes by the cost they will pay is less for the same component, in theory because the supplier has covered some of the production investment costs. Does this mean the supplier will cut corners....who knows.
I'm sure the manufacturer will penalise suppliers in some way when their parts fail.

If it's not parts from external suppliers you can be let down on the production line...forgot to apply Loctite, forgot to apply grease.

I visited Ford just after the AU was released, went into a meeting room on the shop floor and on the whiteboard were a list of the faults picked up as they came off the line. Some were quite serious.
I'm sure the problems were solved as the staff got used to building the new model.

Another thing learnt many years back was 'steer clear of the new model'.
Until it's been out a while the problems haven't been discovered and ironed out.
The mules are not being built at the same rate as they will when the vehicle gets into full production and more care might be taken during their build.

Colin