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    How Reliable Is Land Rover Now?

    This was posted in another thread that will get lost quickly, thought would post here as a fair bit of work over the last year went into trying to answer this question factually for myself and others.

    I would see people say, LR or JLR is the most unreliable car manufacturer out, if this was from LR owners Generally speaking it was someone who doesn't own a latest Gen or Newish LR.

    To me owning a new JLR vehicle and knowing how reliable the new LR vehicles seem on this forum based on trip reports etc, it just didn't make sense.

    Heres what I found, the reliability argument against LR isn't really a thing anymore, ill explain why and it may surprise some that haven't seen this posted before.

    I looked at data 20 years ago and Landrover have improved reliability around 180% since then and most improved over last year of any manufacturer tested in the states.

    So what's with LR being towards the bottom of the US dependability list?

    The whole industry has improved to a point where there are only a few problems per year between the list after 3 years of ownership. Imo its almost like the top 20 airlines for safety(I try to fly on these), they are not in any particular order as they are all considered as safe as each other.

    Landrover owners of 2016 vehicles are only reporting 2 problems and Toyota 1(it seems largely off the back of corolla and prius, camry, avalon, rav4 etc and where limited toyota 4x4 models are sold (infact last time i checked the only similar toyota they sell is a petrol LC200) thats 2 problems for a whole year after 3 years of ownership!
    It is reported also that most issues were infotainment related, which admittedly in 2016 was not LRs strongpoint. Would love to see the reliability comparison based only on US LR 4x4s models and US Toyota 4x4 models, but even then it wouldn't be fair due to the lack of diesels from Toyota.

    In the UK Landrover reliability is pretty much on par with Toyota (where petrol and diesel etc Toyota 4x4 models are sold in a very similar way to AU, fair comparison)

    A Landrover 2016 model has approx 1.42 problems over 12 months after 3 years and Toyota 1.34 (absolutely nothing between them in reliability)

    In AU Toyota have been far from the pinnacle of reliability over the last few years, imo LR on the other hand has done really well the last few years avoiding any mass market issues.

    I mention Toyota not to badmouth, rather becuase they are usually referred to as some holy grail of reliability and a benchmark. They are a great thing and if you own one great!

    The UK is a similar selling market to ours as far as Land Rover and other major 4x4 sellers for example (Yota), the facts show there is about as much difference as identical twins between the two as far as dependability goes, which is incredible considering LR is pretty much 4x4 only, making reliability much harder to achieve then companies that mostly make 2wds.

    Times have changed as anyone with a newish JLR vehicle will attest to, quality and reliability are as good as could be expected for the vehicle you actually get, which when you have a vehicle that can do much more than its competitors is much harder to achieve.

    This all has taken me a very long time to get my head around over the last year but im glad i did, as LRs reliability factually is much better than many make out and for the last couple of decades has been getting better and better.


    Lets keep this civil and factual, I won't be arguing with anyone, but just thought it would be a good reference point for those that have had similar thoughts or have wondered about the same questions How Reliable Is Land Rover Now?

    Sources jdpower us/uk annual reports


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    Ignoring the names of the 'most reliable' brands on both charts - Land Rovers are roughly twice as likely to break down as the #1 manufacturer...

    [Note, this does not mean that they are 'unreliable' over all nor that they have not improved vastly in recent years.]

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    I think that the most important part about reliability is that IF something does go wrong with a vehicle (any brand) is the time and effort it takes by the owner to get that problem fixed.
    If a brand doesn't have a good nation wide dealer network then the problems you have with your vehicle will take longer to be addressed and be more problematic.
    A warranty isn't much good to you if your nearest dealer is 500k's away.
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    I paid quite a bit of attention to the LR reliability issue before buying my 2105 D4 TDV6 new. Its done 155, 000 km in 4.5 years, mostly on sealed roads (but some pretty crappy ones) and about half of those km towing a 2.5 tonne 6.5M boat, and often in quite remote places.

    When I bought it I took out the extended warrantee and upgraded my RACQ membership to Platinum! Have used the former on a couple of things, but never had to use the latter!

    The vehcile has been maintained to what I would consider the highest possible standard - by the local LR dealer (I dont think there is a well regarded independent available). Anything that needs done gets done!

    What can I say? Its certainly more expensive to maintain than the SS Commodore it replaced - but then its a completely different type of vehicle and I expect it to do things that I never expected the SS to do.

    $1,000+ services take a bit of getting used to - but I get no sympathy my mates who love to travel to the NT in it to go fishing, but say I'm a w##ker for driving it instead of a Cruiser!

    It is the easiest cruising, easy big boat towing, km gobbling vehicle that I have ever driven!

    It hasn't missed a beat - I luv it!

    Don't know what I'm going to replace it with - watching the D5 and the new Defender with interest. In the meantime I am about to spend a bunch of $$ doing everthing that needs to be dome or would be useful to do now (camshaft belt replacement due), and keep it for a bit longer.

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    Everything is relative.
    If you personally are the one with the car that broke down, whatever the brand, then it is not reliable, even if it was the only one of the type that ever had a problem.
    If you car never broke down but every other one of the type did then, to you, it is reliable.
    And lets face it, we don't even think about it when you get where you are going. It is only a problem or stressful (or expensive) when you don't.
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    Question for those that may know - what is a 'Problem' on these surveys? Is it an unscheduled visit to a dealer for any reason - like a light globe, or problems that actually stop the vehicle? Being towed to a dealer?

    Just interested.

    Personally I think LR have improved dramatically from what I've seen over the years, but the perception is still from 20 years ago I think. Still don't think they are anywhere close to most of the Japanese or Korean brands to be honest. If they were they'd offer the same sort of Warranties rather than expecting punters to cough up for extended warranties. 3 years, 100,000KM is peanuts these days, that alone to me shows they aren't confident in their long term reliability.

    5 Year, unlimited KM is the standard these days, Kia is 7 years unlimited KM, Hyundai are following suit here later this year, and others will follow. Sort of leaves LR in the dust IMO. In fact, just Googling I couldn't find another company that doesn't offer 5 years, unlimited KM in Australia, but I'm sure there are plenty, but that's the game you need to be in to get a reputation.

    I bought up 100,000KM on my Hilux in 2 years, I'm sure I'm not alone in doing these sort of KM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Question for those that may know - what is a 'Problem' on these surveys? Is it an unscheduled visit to a dealer for any reason - like a light globe, or problems that actually stop the vehicle? Being towed to a dealer?

    Just interested.

    Personally I think LR have improved dramatically from what I've seen over the years, but the perception is still from 20 years ago I think. Still don't think they are anywhere close to most of the Japanese or Korean brands to be honest. If they were they'd offer the same sort of Warranties rather than expecting punters to cough up for extended warranties. 3 years, 100,000KM is peanuts these days, that alone to me shows they aren't confident in their long term reliability.

    5 Year, unlimited KM is the standard these days, Kia is 7 years unlimited KM, Hyundai are following suit here later this year, and others will follow. Sort of leaves LR in the dust IMO. In fact, just Googling I couldn't find another company that doesn't offer 5 years, unlimited KM in Australia, but I'm sure there are plenty, but that's the game you need to be in to get a reputation.

    I bought up 100,000KM on my Hilux in 2 years, I'm sure I'm not alone in doing these sort of KM.
    A failed bulb, a door handle thats a little sticky, a rattle in a trim panel all count...

    So a Defender could have had 200 issues that never, ever, stopped it performing but the dealer had to do some work on.

    And a Pugs could have had 1 catastrophic, side of the road failure rendering it immobile and still rank the highest reliability.


    Regarding vehicle warranties... Interestingly... All vehicles in Thailand (made there or sold there) only come with a 12 month warranty. Thats it....
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    What chance does LR have of shifting the perception
    Even owners on here with vehicles 2005+ still crack on about Lucas Electrics and Oil Leaks.


    Almost all the common comments - LR leak oil, electrics are crap etc... are parroted by LR owners.
    Most leaks in LR I have found are a product of LR owners not bothering to repair said issues correctly (until they leak like the Exxon V).


    Until a Land Cruiser is so full of rust the owner doesnt care anymore - you'll almost always see their owners repairing any small leaks or problems.
    In a Landy the owner just calls it character.
    I call it lazy.


    None of my Landys leak grease, oil, coolant or fuel - I take pride in sorting any niggles before they become more than such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    What chance does LR have of shifting the perception
    Even owners on here with vehicles 2005+ still crack on about Lucas Electrics and Oil Leaks.


    Almost all the common comments - LR leak oil, electrics are crap etc... are parroted by LR owners.
    Most leaks in LR I have found are a product of LR owners not bothering to repair said issues correctly (until they leak like the Exxon V).


    Until a Land Cruiser is so full of rust the owner doesnt care anymore - you'll almost always see their owners repairing any small leaks or problems.
    In a Landy the owner just calls it character.
    I call it lazy.


    None of my Landys leak grease, oil, coolant or fuel - I take pride in sorting any niggles before they become more than such.
    The facts above are from 2006 model year (2009) test year onwards. And point to continual improvement since then to the point they are on par with major competitors in comparable markets to AU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Question for those that may know - what is a 'Problem' on these surveys? Is it an unscheduled visit to a dealer for any reason - like a light globe, or problems that actually stop the vehicle? Being towed to a dealer?

    Just interested.
    According to a US JD Power report i read most issues were infotainment related, which we all know wasnt the best in 2016. Android auto/Apple Carplay has fixed that for most manufacturers and with what they have released on the new defender along with SOTA, I can see these complaints dropping dramatically which is what they are aiming for.

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