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Yep like him or hate him this is an impressive take down. His Scomo one also surprised me and the details he produces would indicate a team of researchers the ABC would be impressed with (which I doubt is the case).Quote:
Originally Posted by p38arover
MALS
MAAAATE, you can buy a Nissan Leaf grey import right now for 13K. You have not been looking on your Carsales.Quote:
So it will be many more years until they filter down into the second hand market,and then IC may still be the better option,due to the life and costs of batteries,etc.
Of course they only do 80K now, but that should not be a problem to you techies. Just open up the battery and replace the dud ones. PS. use rubber gloves.
AND I expect no demand that Bob10 and Discomick go out and buy one to support their claims to climate change purity.
Regards PhilipA
It should go about 23KM i recon before the battery goes flat loaded with the tools and other gear i need for work.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipA
Yes it could be slightly over GVM[biggrin]
The work van did almost 300K today,no wasting time waiting for it to charge,or even a fuel stop.[bigwhistle]
So the leaf is worth $13K today,i suppose new it was around maybe $60K at least?[bighmmm]
They do hold their value well[biggrin]
I suppose thats cos everyone wants one[bigrolf]
Well it may not for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
But i would imagine that 80% + of cars do not go out of town so would suit them fine.
its a silly as saying, "It cant cross the simpson , so it must be crap"
I just cant afford one, but would be happy to replace non landrover with a EC, even with a 150km commute done evey 5 days.
Indeed. My experience is opposite to BBs. Rural Vic, rural NSW, rural southern Qld, rural SA. You will not get away with it for long, unless you are SO rural it's only you that's there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
REAL evidence, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
The Hyundai Kona EV can do 450 Ks on a charge, and be recharged in 8 hours or to 80% a lot faster and costs $60-70k.
I would buy one if I was still working.
Plug it into the house, charge it for free off the solar, leave it plugged in and it could easily run the house overnight. The car can power the house - how good is that!
C'mon, Mick. We all know that your pet hobby horse is EVs, but you always fail to back your rhetoric. Heck, you don't even own one, going by your sig. Could it be that in 20 years time the world will have worked out that AGW is a scam, EVs steal from the poor, Elon Musk was a snake oil salesman and Obama was a fool who bought snake oil?Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
The ONLY way EVs will become real world viable is if the luvvies grow up and embrace nuclear power. Teslas make sense in California, and pretty much nowhere else. Have you seen the living conditions of the poor in California? No? Neither have the Tesla drivers. it's THIRD WORLD, only worse, because the Third World are prepared for it and Californians are not.
I put that in to show that policies have consequences, and EVs are Californian policy.
Here's a vid. I don't really like this guy, nor do I dislike him, but he makes some good points.... Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/Hatav_Rdnno
Not good at all, quite a poor scenario actually....Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
Flatten the battery keeping your fridge running.
Get up in the morning and flat battery to go to work (or to escape whatever has caused the power to fail)
Unplug from your “free” solar and attempt to head to work. You may make it if there’s enough left, otherwise other transport for you.
Assuming it does make it there and back you can come home 8-9 hours later to insufficient sunlight to recharge and draw from grid to charge back up. Or if the overnight flattening saw the thing left on charge all day you may be ok tomorrow.
Anyone that buys the EV version of the equivalent standard vehicle with the current premium price point is being fiscally foolish.
The current model you’re working with above is flawed.
No point just reading Guardian articles - you need to fully understand the holistic view and requirements. In isolation some proposals seem valid - they unravel quickly in execution, and that’s why many suggestions haven’t been taken up.
I read a lot more than the Guardian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
The Kona has a 64 kWh battery, which is far larger than a typical home battery setup of 6-7 kWh, so it is highly unlikely to be flattened by overnight household consumption, which would normally be low after about 10pm anyway.
People already do this, it isn't theoretical, it's proven technology.
2019 Hyundai KONA Electric 64 kWh - Specifications and price