Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by superquag

Which one panics government(s), gets reported in every media, 24/7, - and sickens and kills 'how many ?'

Even without a Conspiracy Theory, don't you get the impression that we've been mis-informed, lied to, conned, deceived and been 'had' ?
Or the incredible incompetence of the "journalists" involved...

All this economic destruction from less than 1,000 deceased / 28,000 'cases' - With Victoria accounting for 20,000 positive tests and 800 deaths. (rounded numbers) Compare 'Sepsis' with . 5,000 dead per year and a fatality rate of 20% in a modern hospital here in WA.

Estimated 1 in 5 Deaths Worldwide Are Due to Sepsis | Live Science

Coronavirus (COVID-19) current situation and case numbers | Australian Government Department of Health

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There are many more dangerous things in Australia.

But not many in America, Brazil, India.and many others.

Back when this first kicked off I didn't think we would halt it. I saw this killing around 0.5% of Australians this year. And while that clearly didnt happen, the USA has showed us that it could have.

The 'economic destruction' of 1/200 of our population dying is unthinkably bad. Except if you run a crematorium. Or make PPE.

The big economic impacts are our 'exports.' And I put that in quotes because education is normally up there. But if India is locking down, if China slows because no-one is buying, then we don't dig stuff up here nor do we have thousands coming in to Universities.

If the whole world's economy drops by an amount that matches the first year of the Great Depression, then we will cop an economic flogging regardless (and it has). Is China's economy powering along? New Zealand's? Sweden's?

Sepsis just means widespread bacterial infection. This is what happens if your pneumonia, skin cut or tummy bug gets completely out of control. So you can't stop one thing to prevent sepsis, but you can do many. And you can treat it.

Do you have any idea of the regulations to prevent sepsis in Oz and the economic cost of them? From getting your hairdresser to sterilise their scissors (ever notice the cup of fluid the scissors go in?) to checking the milk you are sold is properly pasteurized and refrigerated. Should we just let it rip and help the economy??

Lied to? Sure you've been lied to. But you have the shoes on the wrong feet. The 'one world government' (as I assume your sources call it) is telling the truth, daily and in detail.

This is a simply ridiculous attitude - the death rate from COVID-19 is low in Australia literally because the threat has been taken seriously. We only have to look to Europe to see what happens when the attitude is "cases and deaths are down, we can stop precautions". Victoria is the living example of how easily it gets out of hand and what is needed to stop it, a valuable object lesson to the rest of the country.

And forget the idea that the restrictions are the cause of the economic problems - history shows that no precautions means worse economic woes. And to make the point - on the local news just now, the Parkes Elvis Festival due to be held next March, has been cancelled, not because of government restrictions, but because the organisers believe it would put the community at risk, and that the community will prefer the economic hit.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Pointing to other causes of death doesn't mean that we shouldn't address this cause of death.

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what do you call "addressing" one cause of death but ignoring others? is it hypocritical? ignorance?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

This is a simply ridiculous attitude - the death rate from COVID-19 is low in Australia literally because the threat has been taken seriously. We only have to look to Europe to see what happens when the attitude is "cases and deaths are down, we can stop precautions". Victoria is the living example of how easily it gets out of hand and what is needed to stop it, a valuable object lesson to the rest of the country.

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actually the death rate is no different to countries where positive tests are much higher. lets look at aust plus the top 5.

aust: 27,000 confirmed 3.2% death rate
usa: 7,100,000 confirmed 2.9% death rate
india 6,0000,000 confirmed 1.6% death rate
brazil 4,700,000 confirmed 3% death rate
russia 1,100,000 confirmed 1.8% death rate
colombia 800,000 confirmed 3.1% death rate

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Originally Posted by Eevo

what do you call "addressing" one cause of death but ignoring others? is it hypocritical? ignorance?

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So Exactly where are the other causes of death being "Ignored" and not being "addressed"??
IF you are going to have a conspiracy theory at least make it plausible[bigwhistle]

Lots of texts or 'Insta' photos flying around at the moment with 'stats'; quotes of what the US CDC says etc about Covid19 death rates...but go to the CDC website and you can't find any support for the very low percentages claimed in the 'quotes'. Unless I see it from an official source I don't believe it.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Eevo

what do you call "addressing" one cause of death but ignoring others? is it hypocritical? ignorance?

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We are addressing all causes. Just because we are not particularly effective at addressing some doesnt mean we are not addressing them. And let's face it, you don't know early on exactly how virulent and how deadly (and what long term side effects) a new virus is. So you take sudden and significant precautions early because if you leave it and it is a terribly deadly virus it's all too late. The predictions for some years is that we were due for a new and extremely virulent and damaging virus. Anyone who looks back and says ( with hindsight) that we should have done little and just let it rip is not taking into account the above matters in my view. Besides we know that to have let it rip would have meant a massive death toll - completely unacceptable. Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

We are addressing all causes. Just because we are not particularly effective at addressing some doesnt mean we are not addressing them. And let's face it, you don't know early on exactly how virulent and how deadly (and what long term side effects) a new virus is. So you take sudden and significant precautions early because if you leave it and it is a terribly deadly virus it's all too late. The predictions for some years is that we were due for a new and extremely virulent and damaging virus. Anyone who looks back and says ( with hindsight) that we should have done little and just let it rip is not taking into account the above matters in my view. Besides we know that to have let it rip would have meant a massive death toll - completely unacceptable. Cheers

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i know how deadly suicide is.

A million people dead worldwide is a serious pandemic.
We should ignore politically-inspired American misinformation trying to downplay the seriousness of the disaster because Americans refuse to accept their country has done so badly at managing it.
It's a long way from being over too.
Remember the 2018-19 Flu Pandemic lasted 2 years and the second wave was terrible. Most of the world is still in the first wave and still has the second wave to come.
Vaccines aren't a magical cure either. They won't be widely available until mid 2021 and the virus will still be here - it won't just go away.
We've only just begun. WA's borders won't come down any time soon and other states are likely to have to raise their borders at least once more before this is over, I reckon.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

A million people dead worldwide is a serious pandemic. .

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sure, just 1 problem. covid is not a pandemic. it is a syndemic