Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by Eevo

is WA going to keep itself locked for all eternity? cause thats what needs to happen.


for many people, no work = no pay.


imho, the best way forward is not elimination, as thats impossible. its to make this thing endemic.

This disease has an infection fatality rate of somewhere between 0.1% and 1%. Because it is so infectious, allowing it to become endemic means that something like 90% of the population will become infected, or perhaps 20million Australians. This implies that somewhere between 200,000 and 2,000,000 extra deaths over the period that it takes for it to become "endemic", which will only be a few years.

If you think that this level of mortality is going to have less economic consequences than reasonable levels of movement restrictions and social distancing, coupled with trace and test measures such as those carried out in NSW for the last six months, I suggest you are kidding yourself.

Not to mention that as medical services start to fold under the pressure, people will stop interacting anyway. You see this for example right now in the USA, where states that have mandated that schools go back to face to face learning are finding that a lot of school districts are almost unable to operate as teachers quit, refusing to risk the lives of themselves and their families in the face of over 150,000 new cases and over 1,000 deaths a day, with both numbers increasing exponentially.

For most people in Australia No work = No pay is not true, and most Australians expect their governments to assist those for whom it is not the case, even if this means sharing deprivation to some extent. This is why the Qld Premier got reelected, and quite possibly why Donald Trump did not.

Originally Posted by bob10

Can't wait for the confected outrage directed at S.A. from the usual suspects.

SA works to contain outbreak as Europe, US face soaring cases

There was a time when SA had an "Infectious Diseases Hospital" at Northfield, & when it was built there was vacant land all over the area, complete with hundreds of acres & acres of Scotch Thistle. Only parts of it are to be seen today which has been converted into "other use" buildings. A high Cyclone mesh fence surrounded the facility.

Polio, just to name one, was treated here in the '50s.

The second site was Torrens Island & used for overseas arrivals by Ship. A ghost town now but one can visit on a SA Maritime Museum tour.


Maybe the thinking back then was spot on, ie. Total Isolation. Seems to me to work.Northfield Infectious Diseases Hospital
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Originally Posted by 4bee

There was a time when SA had an "Infectious Diseases Hospital" at Northfield, & when it was built there was vacant land all over the area, complete with hundreds of acres & acres of Scotch Thistle. Only parts of it are to be seen today which has been converted into "other use" buildings. A high Cyclone mesh fence surrounded the facility.

Polio, just to name one, was treated here in the '50s.

The second site was Torrens Island & used for overseas arrivals by Ship. A ghost town now but one can visit on a SA Maritime Museum tour.


Maybe the thinking back then was spot on, ie. Total Isolation. Seems to me to work.Northfield Infectious Diseases Hospital
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Dedicated quarantine facilities certainly had a place in days gone by, most capital cities had them, however I'm not sure that they are more effective than well managed hotel quarantine. The days have gone where you could employ medical staff to work in total isolation for an indeterminate period to reduce the risk of them inadvertently transmitting infection. WA made good use of Rottnest Island in April but that was a relatively short duration activity.

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by JDNSW

For most people in Australia No work = No pay is not true, and most Australians expect their governments to assist those for whom it is not the case, even if this means sharing deprivation to some extent. This is why the Qld Premier got reelected, and quite possibly why Donald Trump did not.

i'll address the other part later.

no work = no pay is most definely the case. i have a friend working in a nursing home (can anyone say vulnerable?) and if she's off sick, she doest get paid and has to go for a mandatory covid test.

Originally Posted by Tote

New Zealand and now South Australia have proven that eradication is a very difficult thing to achieve and that ongoing testing and containment is the only viable way forward.

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Tote

I wonder if you meant to use the term "elimination" instead of "eradication". It is currently not NZ's objective to eradicate but rather to eliminate the chains of transmission thereby preventing the uncontrolled spread inside the borders.

COVID-19: Elimination strategy for Aotearoa New Zealand | Ministry of Health NZ

Originally Posted by windsock

I wonder if you meant to use the term "elimination" instead of "eradication". It is currently not NZ's objective to eradicate but rather to eliminate the chains of transmission thereby preventing the uncontrolled spread inside the borders.

COVID-19: Elimination strategy for Aotearoa New Zealand | Ministry of Health NZ

That was exactly what I meant.... I probably should have done some more research. Thanks


Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by superquag

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So this summary from those obsessively factual Swiss is a balance from current Doom & Gloom stories on mainstream TV . At least over there....

Facts about Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research

"Swiss Policy Research" isn't Swiss and is likely to be a Russian propaganda site as it "exposes" what it calls pro-Nato propaganda:

Swiss Policy Research - Media Bias/Fact Check

- zero transparency about who's behind it

- it's not Swiss, but the name sounds very much like a legitimate Swiss research organisation run by Swiss Re - in fact, that's what I initially thought that it was

- publishes misinformation in relation to Coronavirus:

"Swiss Policy Research is also providing information regarding the Coronavirus with mixed facts and misinformation. In this article, Facts about Covid-19, there is the use of several poor sources to support their claims such as the Daily Mail, Off-Guardian, Sputnik, and Youtube videos. Further, this list of so-called facts also contains unproven conspiracy theories such as this: “NSA wholesaler Edward Snowden warns that the “coronavirus crisis” will be used for the massive and continuous expansion of global surveillance. The well-known virologist Pablo Goldschmidt speaks of “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures.” Leading British virologist, Professor John Oxford, talks about a “media epidemic.” They further state “More than 500 scientists have warned of “unprecedented public oversight” using problematic “contact tracking” applications. In some countries, such “contact tracking” is already carried out directly by secret services. In several parts of the world, the population is already monitored by drones and is facing excessive police supervision.” While any of these may one day turn out to be true, there is zero evidence at this time to support these claims and hence they are unproven conspiracy theories."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research

https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-con...rg-UPDATED.pdf

"SWPRS.org itself has published false and misleadinginformation. For example, a July 2020 article, titled “Onthe treatment of COVID-19” (“Zur Behandlung vonCOVID-19”), claimed that hydroxychloroquine — aremedy against malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis — could prevent the COVID-19 virus. “Zinc, HCQ[hydroxychloroquine], quercetin and bromhexin mayalso be used prophylactically for people at high risk orhigh exposure,” the article said, citing arecommendation by the Indian Council of MedicalResearch, a government body. The article also claimedthat, “The alleged or actual negative results withhydroxychloroquine in some studies were based ondelayed use (intensive care patients), excessive doses(up to 2400mg per day), manipulated data sets (theSurgisphere scandal), or ignored contraindications(e.g., favism or heart disease).”

I think that you need some better sources.

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