Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Life in WA is pretty much back to normal simply because the borders were locked and COV19 has been eliminated in the State because of this.
With NO community transmissions whatsoever and a well regimented quarantine system in place that has worked and is keeping the population safe people don't Have to wear masks here or treat everyone like a plague carrier, Welcome home Mate[thumbsupbig]

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Ta, but I don’t think people get it. When we got to Melbourne things were as they are in WA now and the attitude was “we’re ok Jack, we’ve got this” until they didn’t. Then when the state govt said “we’re in the ****, batten down the hatches” the general population spent another couple of weeks going “nah mate, it’s all a storm in a tea-cup”. Until it wasn’t. Pretty soon there were > 700 cases a day and all Victorians except the minority of nutters featured on the news took it seriously.

Right now WA is in the pre-“we’re ok Jack, we’ve got this” phase because the “one” hasn’t slipped through the net. If (when) it does we (WA) have a problem because we’ve failed to learn lessons from Vic and NSW and our contact tracing is about where Vics was when it went to soup (ie, great in theory until the 3 pre-retirement civil servants who drew the “contact tracer” short straw are asked to button up their brown cardies and start working).

So forgive me for being “all serious like” because *if* it gets loose here we are ****ed with a capital F, and I can be confident of that because we’ve literally just seen it unfold from the inside.

No, I don’t want to see people in WA having to wear muzzles, but I’d like to see people taking distancing, sanitation and logging in for contact tracing more seriously than “we don’t have to do that ****, we’re not in Melbourne” (yes, I heard it said in Bunnings Malaga). That’s not for me, my immediate family or my sons sake. It’s for my grandparents, my parents and all their friends. The ones in the “high risk, same as the >800 dead Victorians” category.

Picture this, we have a crap load (some 3 flights a day) of people in from NSW, who if having arrived after the 11th are now being asked to self-isolate. They might have been here for ~6 days out and about in the community. They might have been infected (if it wasn't a possibility they wouldn't be being asked to isolate). Nobody they've been in contact with has been asked to get tested. Yeah, far fetched and tiny probabilities, but if it was here it might have been out and about for days before anyone knew about it. Remote? Absolutely! Possible? Entirely.

Its been a tough couple of weeks, so I apologise for being a “Debbie downer”, but for ****s sake people, we are in a State and despite the chest beating from Mr Mullet, craploads of people cross the border every day and it’ll only take one.

I’m now lying in the bath with a load of Glenmorangie on board debating whether to send this, but **** it. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind. I’ll (yet again) be branded that doomsday preacher, but if it makes one person sit down and order a bottle of hand sanitiser, refuse to shake hands with “strangers” or stand a meter back in the queue then I figure what the hell.

I don't know how people are behaving in Perth or anywhere else in the State as far as social distancing goes because since the start of this pandemic I haven't been travelling anywhere because of the risk of infection.
I do know that in Geraldton social distancing IS being practiced by the vast majority of people and I have yet to enter a store in town that doesn't supply hand sanitiser for their customers.
Until we can ALL get immunised against COV19 nobody is safe and WA's most dangerous weakness at the moment for getting COV19 infections is from overseas and interstate arrivals.
In light of the new infections in NSW I think that opening up the WA border was somewhat premature and that we should have waited until the vaccine was made available to everyone Before we opened up the State and that ANYONE entering the state get vaccinated as a pre condition of entry.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I don't know how people are behaving in Perth or anywhere else in the State as far as social distancing goes because since the start of this pandemic I haven't been travelling anywhere because of the risk of infection.
I do know that in Geraldton social distancing IS being practiced by the vast majority of people and I have yet to enter a store in town that doesn't supply hand sanitiser for their customers.
Until we can ALL get immunised against COV19 nobody is safe and WA's most dangerous weakness at the moment for getting COV19 infections is from overseas and interstate arrivals.
In light of the new infections in NSW I think that opening up the WA border was somewhat premature and that we should have waited until the vaccine was made available to everyone Before we opened up the State and that ANYONE entering the state get vaccinated as a pre condition of entry.

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Might be all good in Gero but this Virus just does not seem to exist in Perth to many people , social distancing & hand hygiene is about as rare as manors on our Roads . Followed one dude into woolies who just walked straight past the hand sanitiser and started to separate the bunches of bananas so he could cherry pick the good ones out of each bunch not bothered that he did not sanitise his hands on entry , they live in a vacuum & could not care about anyone one else .

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Originally Posted by trout1105

In light of the new infections in NSW I think that opening up the WA border was somewhat premature and that we should have waited until the vaccine was made available to everyone Before we opened up the State and that ANYONE entering the state get vaccinated as a pre condition of entry.

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That will take years, not only does it have to be manufactured,it also has to be available to the general population, thats millions of people.

The main issue seems to be international travellers, including airline staff working on international flights.

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Originally Posted by scarry

That will take years, not only does it have to be manufactured,it also has to be available to the general population, thats millions of people.

The main issue seems to be international travellers, including airline staff working on international flights.

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Yep.
This'll be the new normal, outbreaks thanks to it jumping quarantine, suppression/elimination and then another outbreak as people and aircrew return from OS.

I think we can trust the contact tracers, they've done an amazing job here so far.
I'm shaking my head at the WA Premier offering 'advice' to the NSW Premier on how to manage things. Talk about hubris. [emoji849] (I'm being polite [emoji12])

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I don't know how people are behaving in Perth or anywhere else in the State as far as social distancing goes because since the start of this pandemic I haven't been travelling anywhere because of the risk of infection.
I do know that in Geraldton social distancing IS being practiced by the vast majority of people and I have yet to enter a store in town that doesn't supply hand sanitiser for their customers.
Until we can ALL get immunised against COV19 nobody is safe and WA's most dangerous weakness at the moment for getting COV19 infections is from overseas and interstate arrivals.
In light of the new infections in NSW I think that opening up the WA border was somewhat premature and that we should have waited until the vaccine was made available to everyone Before we opened up the State and that ANYONE entering the state get vaccinated as a pre condition of entry.

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That's the biggest back pedal I've seen in a long time.
WA's situation is more good luck than good judgment, with its remoteness being a definite advantage.
Every state and territory is in the same boat, regarding the risk coming from overseas.
Compulsory vaccination cannot be mandated nor added as a condition of entry.

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Originally Posted by rick130

Yep.
This'll be the new normal, outbreaks thanks to it jumping quarantine, suppression/elimination and then another outbreak as people and aircrew return from OS.

I think we can trust the contact tracers, they've done an amazing job here so far.
I'm shaking my head at the WA Premier offering 'advice' to the NSW Premier on how to manage things. Talk about hubris. [emoji849] (I'm being polite [emoji12])

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As the WA premier is actually a NSWelshman he might feel he has a right to comment . [bigrolf][bigrolf] .

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

That's the biggest back pedal I've seen in a long time.
WA's situation is more good luck than good judgment, with its remoteness being a definite advantage.
Every state and territory is in the same boat, regarding the risk coming from overseas.
Compulsory vaccination cannot be mandated nor added as a condition of entry.

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WA has had hundreds of overseas arrivals every week for months now and yet unlike some of the other States there hasn't been Any outbreaks into the community so YES it is Good management and not just Luck.
So why can't vaccination be mandated as a requirement of entry? It makes absolute sense to me and not just in WA BUT EVERY OTHER state and Territory .

I agree with Qld Gov closing the border to Sydney but what I don't agree with is closing the border at a certain time on a date two / three days away, it should be immediately , don't give them time to escape. You just have to look at the photo's of the number of people @ Sydney Airport all packed in like cattle , & as for the airlines you can bet they have put on extra flights & increased the fairs to monopolize on this. As for people who are told to quarantine & don't , make them quarantine in in prison then they will have a reason to complain about the accommodation & food , give them a criminal history .
It has been hard at times but in most pretty good her in Qld with not too many restrictions & in general most people have done the rite thing , yes some have been out of work , business have suffered but it is all for the good of the people who live here & hopefully we will come out the other side with out too many more people dead.

:soapbox: That is just my spin on this , I know there are people who won't agree but for me & have there own views but the safety of family is most important & just to think about others before your self.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

WA has had hundreds of overseas arrivals every week for months now and yet unlike some of the other States there hasn't been Any outbreaks into the community so YES it is Good management and not just Luck.
So why can't vaccination be mandated as a requirement of entry? It makes absolute sense to me and not just in WA BUT EVERY OTHER state and Territory .

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Naa, I really think it's good luck..

It's escaped Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide quarantine, and all the other entry points have exactly the same aircrew quarantine requirements, and pretty much the same return traveller requirements.
At some point in those systems people have to interact, look what happened to the aircrew bus driver in Sydney.
Luckily it never went past him, systems were in place to prevent it.
How the hell it got from quarantine to Avalon is the $64 question though.