Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by rick130

Bob, your antipathy toward anyone that isn't a Queenslander is bleeding through again.....

Shirley if he was a Martian he would halve been easy to spot. Little round faced being with sort of telescopic feelers in his/her head, Colour Green, with pulsating light possibly 2 heads but not all versions have that.

But of course this depends on one's appreciation of a Martian. Could change with the seasons & could be amber/red by now.


Unless it was in Fancy Dress & going to a Party.

Originally Posted by rick130

Bob, your antipathy toward anyone that isn't a Queenslander is bleeding through again.....

Am I alone in finding these closed borders and what's basically state-based nationalism bizarre? Since when have people identified primarily as a Queenslander or South Australian and only secondarily as Australians?

The similarities to the States' responses now and to the 1918 pandemic are striking, but the difference is that in 1918 the Commonwealth was new and yet 102 years later we're getting the same responses.


"In November 1918, the various state authorities had entered into an agreement for dealing with the threat, but it did not long hold. In his groundbreaking social history of the Spanish influenza epidemic, Humphrey McQueen suggested that in relation to many matters, “the Commonwealth of Australia passed into recess”.

“The dislocation of interstate traffic is quite unavoidable,” commented the Tamworth Daily Observer on January 31 1919, “as naturally the clean States could not be expected to continue communications with the infected.” "

That could have come from Bob directly.

And, it's the same States - Queensland, WA, SA and Tasmania - responding in the same manner now as they did then. How is that the case?

Originally Posted by Arapiles

"Victorian health officials tied the infection to the Rydges on Swanston outbreak, but noted he was not rated a close contact so was not under a quarantine order when he left Victoria."

They didn't know that he had been in contact with someone who was infected. And he had no symptoms, or he was ignoring them.

"The man was able to enter the state by exemption as a seasonal worker and has since been sharing accommodation as well as working with others."

So, what testing or checking do the Queensland authorities do before allowing him in? None it would appear.

If contagion is such an issue, why did the Queensland authorities allow him to share accommodation with other people? Is that how social distancing operates in Queensland?

Explain how anyone in Qld could know he was infected. The fact is he was caught up in the Rydges infection, but ignored. This indicates Victoria's tracing methods were slack. He should have been quarantined in Vic. We could go backwards and forwards like this for ages, but the fact is, Victoria is the only State with a current community infection problem.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Am I alone in finding these closed borders and what's basically state-based nationalism bizarre? Since when have people identified primarily as a Queenslander or South Australian and only secondarily as Australians?

The similarities to the States' responses now and to the 1918 pandemic are striking, but the difference is that in 1918 the Commonwealth was new and yet 102 years later we're getting the same responses.


"In November 1918, the various state authorities had entered into an agreement for dealing with the threat, but it did not long hold. In his groundbreaking social history of the Spanish influenza epidemic, Humphrey McQueen suggested that in relation to many matters, “the Commonwealth of Australia passed into recess”.
“The dislocation of interstate traffic is quite unavoidable,” commented the Tamworth Daily Observer on January 31 1919, “as naturally the clean States could not be expected to continue communications with the infected.” "

That could have come from Bob directly.

And, it's the same States - Queensland, WA, SA and Tasmania - responding in the same manner now as they did then. How is that the case?

You should at least try to get the history correct.

"the virus broke through our maritime defences and caused an almighty bunfight between Victoria and NSW when it leapt over state lines.Victoria was slow to declare an outbreak, such was its overconfidence in its quarantine measures. NSW ended up declaring cases first, followed a day later by Victoria.A day after that, NSW closed its borders to Victoria – in defiance of a national agreement hammered out in late 1918 in preparation for the pandemic – leaving many people stranded on the opposite side to where they lived."

Originally Posted by Arapiles

And, it's the same States - Queensland, WA, SA and Tasmania - responding in the same manner now as they did then. How is that the case?

Parochialism is inter-generational.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Am I alone in finding these closed borders and what's basically state-based nationalism bizarre?

Hi,
Nope, straight lines on maps, as real world entities don't make long term sense.
e.g. Qld/NSW near the coast.
Cheers

Originally Posted by bob10

You should at least try to get the history correct.

"the virus broke through our maritime defences and caused an almighty bunfight between Victoria and NSW when it leapt over state lines.Victoria was slow to declare an outbreak, such was its overconfidence in its quarantine measures. NSW ended up declaring cases first, followed a day later by Victoria.A day after that, NSW closed its borders to Victoria – in defiance of a national agreement hammered out in late 1918 in preparation for the pandemic – leaving many people stranded on the opposite side to where they lived."

You'll notice that the border controls weren't parochial - they required residents to quarantine before crossing. As such they'd've probably got past s.92 of the Constitution, but now the borders controls are based on residence.

Originally Posted by bob10

Explain how anyone in Qld could know he was infected. The fact is he was caught up in the Rydges infection, but ignored. This indicates Victoria's tracing methods were slack. He should have been quarantined in Vic. We could go backwards and forwards like this for ages, but the fact is, Victoria is the only State with a current community infection problem.

Right .... two cases.