Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by Eevo

as far as im aware, vaccine deaths:2. covid deaths:0

comparing covid to the vaccine is misguided. we need to be comparing the vaccine to alternative vaccines. why are we using a second rate product when a better one is available?

I am certain that there has been at least one covid death this month. And the simple fact is that there is not a better product available. Certainly a better one exists, but as you may have noticed, there is considerable demand for vaccines at the moment. Australia does not have production capacity for mRNA vaccines (and Pfizer I do not think is handing out production licences anyway). Establishing this production capacity is likely to take at least a year and cost billions. And Australia does have production capacity for the more conventional adenovirus vaccines. (At the moment only Astrazeneca and Pfizer are approved in Australia, although another (Moderna?) is in the works)

You need to remember that no mRNA vaccine had been approved and produced in quantity anywhere this time last year, and there was no reason to believe that those for covid would be superior to the conventional vaccines. Although proponents of them were certainly pushing the mRNA vaccines.

The current information on this rare blood clotting from the Astrazeneca vaccine, and now the J&J vaccine suggests that the common factor is the use of adenovirus carriers - which also implicates the Sinovac and SputnikV vaccines as well as a few less well known ones.

And it is worth pointing out that some of the delays in all the vaccine production is not the actual vaccine production capability, but the capability of supplying even simple items needed such as vials and some of the special chemicals needed, especially the ones used to 'wrap' the mRNA.

Originally Posted by Eevo

as far as im aware, vaccine deaths:2. covid deaths:0

We have had at least 2 covid deaths this year - both in Qld - one was the Governor from PNG a month or so ago and a returning Aussie a week or so ago. I seem to recall another but cannot find it so maybe not.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

And the simple fact is that there is not a better product available.

horse pucky!

over a million doses have arrived so far.

Had my AZ 9 days ago now and wife same. 71 and 74
Bit of a headache first day and sinus, but I don't know what the cause was.
I responded to 2 day survey with headache and sinus, but really could have been anything.
Wife no symptoms at all.
Second survey no problems.
Booked for second dose 30/6

The flu vaccine is going to be available in two weeks , but should I have it as it always seems to affect me for weeks with muscle stiffness.

I am more concerned about the flu vaccine making me feel bad than AZ.

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by 4bee

Yep a 110 postie bike would look slightly out of place as would one of their "new" 3 wheeler electrics, even with the hood down.

Yes but ignorance is bliss.

40 offers today for Phase 1b covid vax and just 18 took the offer. One sovereign citizen who is not our patient threaded to report me for offering them an appointment. Apparently its medicare fruad. Bobs right. I do not understand. I do know that person is not getting on my books period Just programed my phone system to help with that

Originally Posted by Eevo

in australia for 2021, more people have died from the vaccine then the illness its meant to protect against.

Interested in the detailed full medical article links for the Australian case please as interested to read if they have eliminated any inherited genetic , medication or any other predisposition factors that have been involoved in that sad case leading to a conculsion in that case , sadly a % of homo sapiens have clotting disorders............ we are who our parents were....

You can't really broach this subject without getting political. All other discussion is pure semantics.

Originally Posted by Eevo

as far as im aware, vaccine deaths:2. covid deaths:0

comparing covid to the vaccine is misguided. we need to be comparing the vaccine to alternative vaccines. why are we using a second rate product when a better one is available?

we need to be examining the ongoing short and long term effects of getting covid as well sadly no one as such is immune to possible long term effects

An example and who knows what will happen in his future but trends based on studies so far are not so promising as such of people or over burdening health systems etc.
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