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    Railroad Tracks

    You might start reading and say I know the answer but keep reading if you want to smile by learning the rest of the story!





    The U.S. Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches.

    That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?

    Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates designed the U.S. Railroads.

    Why did the English build them like that?

    Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

    Why did 'they' use that gauge then?

    Because the people who built the tram ways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.






    Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?

    Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.





    So, who built those old rutted roads?

    Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since.

    And the ruts in the roads?

    Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels.



    Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

    Therefore, the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.

    In other words, bureaucracies live forever.

    So the next time you are handed a specification, procedure, or process, and wonder, 'What horse's ass came up with this?', you may be exactly right.

    Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses.




    Now, the twist to the story:
    When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, you will notice that there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank.

    These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah.



    The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit larger, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site.

    The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel.

    The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.





    So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass.

    And you thought being a horse's ass wasn't important!

    Now you know, Horses' Asses control almost everything.
    Explains a whole lot of stuff, doesn't it

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    Quire some years ago, when I first read that explanation, I also read a bebunking reply.
    I don't recall the answer in its entirety, but one of the points was that the extra half inch was added to enable wagons, as they got larger, to negotiate curves.
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    I remember coming across a miraculously intact roman bridge near Kusadasi in Turkey.
    I could very clearly see the ruts made by the chariot wheels in the bridge.

    Similarly the road from Aleppo to Adana follows the Roman Road and the border point is actually a Roman arch. the road was originally made from enormous blocks of I presume sandstone as the ground was marshy and you could see the chariot marks where the new road deviated from the old.
    AFAIR there are some preserved on the Appian way also.
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    Did you measure the distance between the ruts, Philip?
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    No I didn’t check , not that anal.
    But Snopes seems to think that it’s indirectly true .
    Of course there are lots of railway gauges such as metre or 3 foot 6 inches in Qld and 6 foot 3 in Victoria.
    From what Understand the qld gauge was to save money on what is claimed to be the longest network in the World, while Victoria had plenty of money and Scotsmen initially designed the Railways.
    I think most colonies were metre gauge, certainly Malaya and Sri Lanka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtreme View Post
    The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.
    Actually, US railway tunnels are/were wider than UK or Australian tunnels because US railways have a wider loading gauge than Australia or Britain. Loading gauge - Wikipedia

    Dunno what they mean by slightly wider than the track. US freight tunnels are generally 10ft 8ins - more than twice the width of the track. Even if you allow for the width of the sleepers and ballast, the tunnels are still a lot wider.

    Tunnel width has to also allow for curves.
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    As always happens on the net, some one comes along to spoil the party. Yes, and No says The Straight Dope. [ with a name like that, they fight to be taken seriously. but they make sense]


    Was standard railroad gauge (4’81/2”) determined by Roman chariot ruts? – The Straight Dope
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    Actually, US railway tunnels are/were wider than UK or Australian tunnels because US railways have a wider loading gauge than Australia or Britain. Loading gauge - Wikipedia

    Dunno what they mean by slightly wider than the track. US freight tunnels are generally 10ft 8ins - more than twice the width of the track. Even if you allow for the width of the sleepers and ballast, the tunnels are still a lot wider.

    Tunnel width has to also allow for curves.
    The rolling stock was wider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    The rolling stock was wider.
    Yes, hence the wider loading gauge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    The rolling stock was wider.
    Probably because it could be -where early railways in the UK meant buying access to relatively expensive land in a relatively densely populated countryside, the US in the first half of the nineteenth century and where the early railways were built was nowhere near as densely populated, so the cost of land was a much smaller factor. And the key to the loading gauge was the with of the reservation where two tracks were needed.

    A further factor was probably that the early US railways were built on a shoestring compared to the UK, and avoided earthworks like the plague, and especially tunnels. By the time railways were built that needed these, the loading gauge had already been established. In contrast, even the first public railway, the Liverpool and Manchester Railway of 1830 (Stephenson, UK), was dual track, involved tunnels, cuttings and a number of bridges, both on the railway and across it, as well as extending into the built-up areas of two major cities.
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