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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

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    Last year was off to a good start too but then look at what didn't happen. Wait until late September around here before starting to think that this year might be better then last.
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    The Mid North where I work for a Ag dealer had seen 100+mm of rain over the month of April compared to 20mm same time last year.

    Some who had scratched in feed, canola and hay in the 1-11/2 weeks leading up to last Friday, have seen growth already. The rain has certainly left a nice wet film on top that hopefully translates to subsurface moisture for winter.

    There are a few smiling faces walking through the doors ATM and the general mood is good.

    The other positive thing happening in Ag ATM is the $150K instant tax write off. Plenty of machinery getting upgraded. I have been told even our second hand holdings are pretty low.

    Hope it keeps up and is a successful year for them, cause if they win, lots of people in those regional areas win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    Yep, Australia sold its soul to the cheapest bidder. But I guess people buy what they can afford, in the main. I'm sure there are many reasons for that, not everyone is greedy.
    All my life the position of farmers in Australia has gradually worsened, with this trend superimposed on the droughts and good years. Allowing for inflation, almost all primary produce prices have steadily gone down, while input costs have gone up, and red tape has risen to unbelievable levels.

    Even fifty years ago it was possible for an individual to start from practically nothing, and be prosperous and having raised a family on the farm, and leave a going concern to his children more often than not. Today, most of the children aren't interested - they can make far more money off the farm without the responsibility and the 7/365 daylight to dark work that is needed today.

    Today the 'successful' farm has to have so much money tied up that very few of them ever actually operate at a profit if the cost of capital and a reasonable wage for the farmer is accounted for. Operated by a large corporation, it can work, as a lot of the overhead can be shared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    All my life the position of farmers in Australia has gradually worsened, with this trend superimposed on the droughts and good years. Allowing for inflation, almost all primary produce prices have steadily gone down, while input costs have gone up, and red tape has risen to unbelievable levels.

    Even fifty years ago it was possible for an individual to start from practically nothing, and be prosperous and having raised a family on the farm, and leave a going concern to his children more often than not. Today, most of the children aren't interested - they can make far more money off the farm without the responsibility and the 7/365 daylight to dark work that is needed today.

    Today the 'successful' farm has to have so much money tied up that very few of them ever actually operate at a profit if the cost of capital and a reasonable wage for the farmer is accounted for. Operated by a large corporation, it can work, as a lot of the overhead can be shared.
    Sounds like the transport industry, with commonality being they're both price takers.
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    Machinery ad scams targeting farmers leaves them tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket - ABC News

    Looks like the farmers should be careful spending their hard earned on machinery, as there are scams out there.

    "Department of Consumer Protection WA says some WA residents had recently lost up to $45,000 through fraudulent machinery adsScammers operated across various advertising platforms including reputable online trading websites
    WA ScamNet suggests not purchasing anything sight unseen and on the word of someone"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tote View Post
    During my career in the motor and machinery industries I came across several makes of luxury car and mining, construction, and earthmoving equipment where "grey market" imports were not uncommon.Some of the OE distributors would ask for the serial no, and engine no. when the owners ordered parts. If your machine was a grey import then they would refuse to sell you parts using the excuse that they did not know the specification of that machine and would not sell parts that may be incorrect. Sometimes the suggestion was made that you should approach the importer for assistance. Maybe the Trade Practices Act has scotched this practice.
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    Well now Tote, you have introduced a subject I have not previously considered .

    As mentioned the humble old noisy Diesel engine with Armstrong gear box is no more.

    Yes indeed, who does ‘ own the intellectual property”
    Can the farmer “ shift historical data “
    Can the farmer “back up old data”

    Though it appears the lawyer in the West has a handle on the situation , but the problem still exists regarding warranty repairs and service , although I never was confronted with that ,
    a new forage harvester and new offset disc in 1974 , didn’t count then.

    Good topic Tote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogarthde View Post
    Well now Tote, you have introduced a subject I have not previously considered .

    As mentioned the humble old noisy Diesel engine with Armstrong gear box is no more.

    Yes indeed, who does ‘ own the intellectual property”
    Can the farmer “ shift historical data “
    Can the farmer “back up old data”

    Though it appears the lawyer in the West has a handle on the situation , but the problem still exists regarding warranty repairs and service , although I never was confronted with that ,
    a new forage harvester and new offset disc in 1974 , didn’t count then.

    Good topic Tote
    Dave
    I hadn't considered the problem of the onboard electronics and that they may be storing data in proprietary ways that make transfer or saving of the data difficult if not impossible. In the IT world this sort of behavior is not unknown with a large database company honing it to a fine art, although customers are more aware of the lock in and as the equipment does not usually "harvest " the data there are usually (difficult and expensive ) ways to migrate the raw data to an alternate platform. I have heard stories of gearboxes with RFID tags fitted that render the machine unusable if not reprogrammed to accept the new gearbox mated to the engine and ECU. Of course the dealer is happy to come and bless the gearbox swap provided they are paid to travel to site and attach their diagnostic laptop.

    My 1980s 100 HP fiat similarly does not have these problems with 5 litres of normally aspirated diesel goodness and the only electric components being the starter, lights, stereo and alternator.

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