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    Pension and super around the World

    Our very own Incisor prompted me to look. Nice to be in a Medal Position here in OZ. Hope we can keep it that way


    Global Pension System Ranking by Country
    Rank Country 2019 Index Score
    1 The Netherlands 81
    2 Denmark 80.3
    3 Australia 75.3
    4 Finland 73.6
    5 Sweden 72.3
    6 Norway 71.2
    7 Singapore 70.8
    8 New Zealand 70.1
    9 Canada 69.2
    10 Chile 68.7
    11 Ireland 67.3
    12 Switzerland 66.7
    13 Germany 66.1
    14 United Kingdom 64.4
    15 Hong Kong 61.9
    16 United States 60.6
    16 Malaysia 60.6
    18 France 60.2
    19 Peru 58.5
    20 Colombia 58.4
    21 Poland 57.4
    22 Saudi Arabia 57.1
    23 Brazil 55.9
    24 Spain 54.7
    25 Austria 53.9
    26 South Africa 52.6
    27 Italy 52.2
    27 Indonesia 52.2
    29 Korea 49.8
    30 China 48.7
    31 Japan 48.3
    32 India 45.8
    33 Mexico 45.3
    34 Philippines 43.7
    35 Turkey 42.2
    36 Argentina 39.5
    37 Thailand 39.4
    Source: Melbourne Mercer Global Pension Index 2019

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    Of course we can ND, if we have the political will do so.

    As a fortunate recipient of a (small) part age pension I was always thankful that the writers of our constitution encouraged our country to take on the responsibility for paying an age pension in its constitution and by 1908 the Commonwealth had amalgamated a mix of state benefits to pay a means-tested age pension to those citizens who needed it.

    As it turns out by age 65 I had a super scheme which was able to be supplemented by the age pension. For various health reasons I really needed to cease fulltime work then.

    For over 100 years the age pension did commence for men at age 65 and women at 60 and unfortunately this has been mucked around with and it has become a political football over the last 10 years, with the government now paying on the lower of means tested or asset tested pension but at least while we have a constitution it will remain available for those who need it.

    Sure, arguments will continue to fly around that our "budget" will not be able to continue to "afford" this type of extravagance but as current affairs demonstrate, budgets in reality are very flexible and in practice bare little resemblance to the usual household income and expenditure budget that some commentators would have us believe.

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    FYI, that table is ranking our Superannuation, not the Old Age Pension.

    The US for example, completely lacks any form of universal Super/pension.


    Edit: they have "Social Security" which I'm guessing is like our old age pension, but a New York Times article I read last year indicated that as a result of Australia's super system:

    - our pension system isn't bankrupt (Japan's basically is, US too maybe)

    - coverage is extensive, meaning nearly everyone has some post-retirement income (suggesting that in the US it isn't)

    - amounts are generous (because of how much is compulsorily saved).

    But the NYT article was criticising people here spending big on caravans and 4WDs for the big lap when they retire ....
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    It doesn't mention any qualifications. whether contributory or non-contributory, residential requirements, and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arapiles View Post
    FYI, that table is ranking our Superannuation, not the Old Age Pension.

    The US for example, completely lacks any form of universal Super/pension.
    Suspect that's one of the reasons why they rank so poorly. They also have a crap healthcare system. Ours is not perfect

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