Thread: Price of 'cheap' ?

Originally Posted by Tombie

No, it was however contacted on a Chinese assembled phone.

What other sort is there? I did hope that the Wuhan cold and the recently departed US administration might change that, but Eric Arthur Blair was right, of course.

Originally Posted by Tombie

I was given medications made in China, on a Chinese component gurney.

My point about GSW, or whatever they call themselves today. That stuff was made HERE.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Planes are Swedish? Or something similar. They suffer in high temperatures. Found that amusing!

Hah. Who chose them? We used to choose what was best. Now we choose what is best for someone's pocket, usually not mine.

“Price of Cheap”

Reminds me of a saying the old boy used to say quite a bit (don’t hear it so often now)

“ Poor Man Pays Twice”

Originally Posted by Tombie

Snap On in your workshop?
Only the hand tools come from the USA now.

That would be like saying “those bikes from the USA” horribly unreliable pieces of rubbish - and much of them now made in; you guessed it!

Same with the last few generations of Commodore - huge Chinese input.

Country of origin doesn’t correlate to quality.
Price point often does.
Sadly many would support Aussie made if it didn’t come with the Aussie tax!

*I'm very aware of where items I buy are made.
*Snap-on and many tools, yes correct. I am looking at the next lot of tools I want for the workshop, If I find what I need made in elsewhere I will likely buy it.
*GM broke the last of their promises when shutting manufacturing in Australia and basically killed the industry in Australia. Yet I still see the last of the run out ****box models on the road, why people and yes our Gov bought them boggles my mind.

*Alum foil, cling wrap, baking paper, all brands from everywhere I have looked are Made in China. I dont buy cling wrap (i use containers), unfortunately I do need the alum foil and the baking paper.
*kitchen sponges, scourers, wash cloths are all Made in China. 3M green scotch brite scourers are Made in Thailand (which are the ones I buy).
*I send turbo modulators to the U.K for repair instead of buying the knock offs. which is caused by the deliberate action of a global corporation, in this case GARRETT, they dont make spare parts because that want the sale of another complete turbo, which is made in India (at least).

*Country of Origin may not always correlate to quality but lets face it the percentage of poor quality is pretty dam high if Made in China.
*Price point is top of the "we need list" when global corporations build a product for the mass consumer market.

*I honestly think that most of the masses don't care or have a second thought as to where something is made.
*I'm currently looking for a mobile workshop evap cooler, just every supplier including my brother in law said "oh they are all made in China" I said to my bro in law, thats fine to think like that but don't expect your children or the next generation after that to have good jobs or a particularly good standard of living.

*I found a QLD business that make coolers in Australia, I have also been given info of a U.S made one.
*The Made in China one is $900, the AUST, U.S ones are likely $2K - $3K, but I will still be buying one of them.
*If anyone is in that industry or sells mobile evap coolers for workshops, email me the details; service@aztech4x4.com.au (email is fine displayed here, all the scammers and peddlers of wares seem to find it easy enough).

*What will be the Made in China tax? I suppose you won't see it for another 5 - 10 years maybe.
*As I said, one of the main reason why I TRY to avoid Made in China is simply it's not a regime I support.
*Keep in mind that the average "Jo" Chinese is in the same situation (lets face it, worse) just like any other working class and not on the gravy train with Western global corporations or the CCP, both of which will maximise their own interest over anyone else or the planet.

*I also believe where we can support Made In: Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and obviously further out of our region, the U.K which I am sure will be trying to push their manufacturing a lot more.

Originally Posted by Tins

... and the recently departed US administration might change that

I think the former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo did a great job while in term.
I also think so far, Blinken is doing pretty good.

Originally Posted by Tombie

And the point of the comment on the country of origin is what?

Hope you’re not on any medication, use any technology, or generally do anything but live in a cave….

Have seen figures/claims that 'up to 90%' of our medications are either made there..or the raw ingredients, / pre-cursors etc. Not far-fetched, as I know most ascorbic acid now comes with funny picturegraphs on the bags...

Australia used to make much of it's own stuff, - now try and find a garden tap cast in Oz... (in a shop, not your backyard!) Oddly, one of the best value battery brand, sold by Bunnings, is Made in GERMANY. HOW do they manage it with such high wages ???
Yet ALDI sell a non-German brand.... and they can leak inside torches, even when still 'live'.

I've got an 'Elephant' brand shifter. STILL unmarked, despite being used as a Universal Tool / Hammer / Pry-Bar. Made about 50 years ago. - 'They' CAN build fantastic, IF they want to....

The Moon Lander (for those Conspiracy Theorists who believe in a "Moon"...) got there using Integrated Circuits Made in AMERICA. With perfect (?) reliability and robustness - against cosmic radiation etc.
Even spectacle lenses were ground in AUSTRALIA... the ones I'm wearing are .... well, they stuffed up the prescription / quality of one side... Then there was that scandal of fixed 240v cable... ask your local Sparky-Housebasher about that one !

But I agree. 'tis most difficult to find stuff NOT made there...
These were only a dollar or so more than 'similar stuff made You Know Where. Working perfectly, with NO work needed on 15 year old tap seats.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Not a failure I've seen before. I always turn off the cylinder as soon as I'm done - not that I would have considered a hose blowing, but the hoses do degrade and the o rings on the end that seal the fitting into the bottle don't last long so can have a tendency to leak. It's more about saving the gas so I have some for the next BBQ and it not all just drifting slowly away rather than safety though - but I do always check the hoses, connections and fittings regularly as well. Between the 2 BBQ's at home, the homemade spit and the Ziggy in the Motorhome, I seem to end up buying a new hose once every couple of years anyway as they degrade and start to crack - cheap and easy fix.

How old is it? According to their website, the hose should be covered for 2 years - Warranties | Napoleon - I would consider the hose to be part of 'All other parts' - so it shouldn't cost a cent to fix.

Edit - just looking at some user reviews of this grill and most are favorable, but the ones who weren't seem to have issues with the gas line, fittings and controls - so maybe not an isolated incident with them, but it does seem that they back their warranty so I'd be giving them a call.

Saturday AM. Rang them just now, very helpful, there's a 10 year warranty .... Asked for pics etc, Sent the same as here. Sounding VERY hopeful. In the mean time, it looks like di$po$able bottles. Yep, highly recommended results from this machine !

My beef is the quality of the hose, looks both thin and under (?) re-inforced. Agree, leaving under pressure overnight was a stupid risk, but, 'Safety' standards are/were usually minimally 4x the Failure point. IF it had gone off during.....
Worst comes to worst, am prepared to have a local company make up a bespoke hose... Or even change the on-cooker hose fitting to suit the "Old Normal".... POL/Regulator feeding low pressure to BBQ.

Watch This Space.

EDIT:- Bought online, from their evilbay listing, $599, July last year, shipped over to SWMBO

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

*I'm very aware of where items I buy are made.
*Snap-on and many tools, yes correct. I am looking at the next lot of tools I want for the workshop, If I find what I need made in elsewhere I will likely buy it.
*GM broke the last of their promises when shutting manufacturing in Australia and basically killed the industry in Australia. Yet I still see .........................................
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*Country of Origin may not always correlate to quality but lets face it the percentage of poor quality is pretty dam high if Made in China.
*Price point is top of the "we need list" when global corporations build a product for the mass consumer market.
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*I also believe where we can support Made In: Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and obviously further out of our region, the U.K which I am sure will be trying to push their manufacturing a lot more.

Bearing failure suspected... Feeds two large households, so it's paid for itself... according to the Greatest Value Critic of all time...a FARMER. Olde and New pump labels.

Originally Posted by superquag

Bearing failure suspected... Feeds two large households, so it's paid for itself... according to the Greatest Value Critic of all time...a FARMER. Olde and New pump labels.

I know. I once supplied the mechanical seals and orings to them.

Mechanical seals were USA made, all other seals were Taiwan origin.