Covid Mk ll

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Nailed it [emoji41]

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damm autocorrect :soapbox:

Martial law

It's certainly difficult, but it is possible.

In Victoria, a significant number of the daily figures is people being tested while in isolation, but they may have been positive before they were isolated, so they show as only having been in isolation for part of their infectious period.
In NSW, they waited a week before responding, so 1 case at Bondi spread across the city.
In other states, fast lockdowns have worked. Victoria suppressed Delta once, but then it spread from Sydney and started again.
SEQ is a big urban area, similar to Sydney or Melbourne, but a lockdown has beaten Delta. WA, SA, the NT and Tas have all shown zero Covid is possible.
The main danger now is stopping the NSW outbreak from seeding into other states and NZ. Qld says you can't enter Qld unless you've had at least one jab. Vax certificates from Medicare are accepted on phones.

On requiring vaccination certificates, I see the Big Red Bash and Mundi Mundi Bash will now require proof of full vaccination for anyone to step onto the site.
The organisers say this is to protect patrons at the festival and also to protect the residents of towns the patrons visit on their way to and from the festival.
I assume someone will try to do a Clive Palmer and challenge the 'no vax, no jive' rule, but the courts are likely to throw out the challenge on the basis event operators have a duty of care under workplace health and safety laws to protect the people on their properties.

Big Red Bash, Mundi Mundi Bash to require COVID-19 vaccination for 2022 events
Big Red Bash, Mundi Mundi Bash to require COVID-19 vaccination for 2022 events - ABC News

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Luck has a lot to do with it. During our recent lockdown I was legitimately out and about in Brisbane and Ipswich. Despite much publicity claiming that motorists would be stopped and have their legitimacy to be away from home scrutinised, I saw no vehicles intercepted. I noticed significant numbers of people incorrectly, or simply not wearing masks. Social distancing was largely ignored. One doctor's surgery I visited, didn't even have check in facilitation.
Last year I spent time in WA, travelling between Leeman, Perth and Bunbury, very few locals were observing the rules while interstate truck drivers had a high compliance rate.
The luck is whether the noncompliant sector is carrying the virus or not.

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You've posted this before Ian. And my response is I have not noticed anything similar around our way. However thinking that our population would be complete angels is naive, I know. But the truth is the majority are compliant, and the police were scrutinising , just not where you were. The fact we had over 15,000 in home quarantine in the last outbreak with not one reported transgression shows a compliance to restrictions which is remarkable, really. Luck? probably. But some good management as well.

some good news from the UK



A staggering 94.2% of adults in England have antibodies for covid-19, according to a new report from the UK’s Office of National Statistics. Roughly 80.7% of England’s population has been fully vaccinated, suggesting the rest of the 94.2% acquired antibodies through natural infection with the coronavirus.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

some good news from the UK



A staggering 94.2% of adults in England have antibodies for covid-19, according to a new report from the UK’s Office of National Statistics. Roughly 80.7% of England’s population has been fully vaccinated, suggesting the rest of the 94.2% acquired antibodies through natural infection with the coronavirus.

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I like good news.

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Originally Posted by Saitch

I like good news.

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now the bad news. aust wont be able to achieve that.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Luck has a lot to do with it.

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i agree. compare the recent SA lockdown with the current Vic lockdown.
both delta, both started with similar case load, both have similar rules. Vic might even have stricter rules.
Vic has a greater population density, which might be the key factor.

SA was done in a week. Vic now in week 3 and no improvement.

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Originally Posted by bob10

Tote, can't we have a conversation without you getting personal.? Pontificate,? please. I know you mob are doing it tough down there, but have you thought that perhaps if you were to approach this with an open mind, we could have a much better discussion. Disagree by all means, but don't do it in such a way as to elicit an aggressive response . Let's try to have an adult conversation, I'm willing to try.

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Fixed, in the interests of a better discussion.

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by Eevo

some good news from the UK



A staggering 94.2% of adults in England have antibodies for covid-19, according to a new report from the UK’s Office of National Statistics. Roughly 80.7% of England’s population has been fully vaccinated, suggesting the rest of the 94.2% acquired antibodies through natural infection with the coronavirus.

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And the bad news is that the UK's deaths from Covid were 113 yesterday.

From The New York Times Coronavirus update.;


In the US ,vaccines have been holding their ground when it comes to hospitalisations & deaths, but Federal officials worry that protection could wane, especially among high risk groups. The CDC released three studies on Wednesday that showed waning protection against infection, the decline could be the result of decreased vaccine potency, a drop in precautions like wearing masks, the rise of the highly contagious delta variant, or all three.

Together the new studies indicate that mRNA vaccines have an effectiveness of roughly 55% against infections, 80% against symptomatic infections , and 90% or higher against hospitalisations, noted Ellie Murray, an epidemiologist at Boston University. The Biden administration has said it wants vaccinated people to get booster shots, starting on Sep. 20. contingent on authorisation from the CDC

People who have had a full course of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines will be eligible 8 months after their second dose. It is not yet known whether Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipients will require a booster, more testing is required.