Covid Mk ll

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Originally Posted by Saitch

Geez, I hope they cleaned up the carcasses, or something could smell rotten!

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[bigrolf] Very droll,very droll.

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Originally Posted by johnp38

If you die of covid but had a terminal disease/issue and were expected to be dead in a few weeks regardless, are you recorded as a covid death with underlying health issues or a death by existing terminal illness?

How granular is the recorded government health death cause data, as compared to the public daily released covid death figures?

We would have had the same situation of people dying in hospital corridors as the rest of the world did if we didn't have our lockdowns early, but it is time to set hard and fast opening conditions not long drawn out make it up as we go guvvy crap.

Howsabout when we reach 80% double jabbed over a certain age, 12, 16 or whatever is chosen we then just open and not have any further lockdowns at all . This can be done state by state internally at first and interstate bubbles until each one reaches the requirements and then as all of oz has met the numbers a full international opening.

Our hospitals have been up the duff for years regardless of covid, which just amplifies health system shortcomings.

We can't be playing masks off here but on there, or you guys stay home but you guys 2 suburbs over can go to your mates place for a bong beer and a shag.

Random border restrictions at the whim of politicians (whose medical advice seems to be what they want to hear from their CHO not what the CHO really wants to say) but porous to certain types while loved ones die alone is being accepted as the norm when it shouldn't be

'Quarantine' facilities in the pipeline should not be forgotten or scaled down as they are also useful as asylum seekers, natural disaster, emergency domestic violence accomodation and many other uses.

And these powers these state and federal pollies seem to have to fight each other are ridiculous, we are either one nation in common ambition or shut up and secede then see how good you aren't.

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Oh, really? Are you going to explain to people why their loved one died in a hospital carpark because the hospital was full?

I saw a story about an ex-marine in the USA who needed a Gastro op, but couldn't get into 3 surrounding hospitals which is what they'd do under normal circumstances, eventually they choppered him to an out of state hospital, but he died anyway as some blood circulation had been cut off too long, 6 hours IIRC.

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Originally Posted by Saitch

Perhaps a pot?

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the Turks had Devo hats long before Devo. the Turkish Fez.

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and these 2 tv stars had the game sown up till Devo came along.
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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Oh, really? Are you going to explain to people why their loved one died in a hospital carpark because the hospital was full?

I saw a story about an ex-marine in the USA who needed a Gastro op, but couldn't get into 3 surrounding hospitals which is what they'd do under normal circumstances, eventually they choppered him to an out of state hospital, but he died anyway as some blood circulation had been cut off too long, 6 hours IIRC.

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No, I won't be explaining anything, I am fully vaxxed and wear my mask properly.

But it is going to happen and we need to bite the covid and move on with life and death.

No one says boo about our yearly death toll of many and varied causes.

And our hospitals have been under duress b4 covid came around and ppl have died because of it.

Nothing changes mate, once the emergency is over the people and the pollies carry on as normal.

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Originally Posted by johnp38

No, I won't be explaining anything, I am fully vaxxed and wear my mask properly.

But it is going to happen and we need to bite the covid and move on with life and death.

No one says boo about our yearly death toll of many and varied causes.

And our hospitals have been under duress b4 covid came around and ppl have died because of it.

Nothing changes mate, once the emergency is over the people and the pollies carry on as normal.

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More bad news I'm afraid, if you read your mask directions and/or vaccine card/certificate you won't find any guarantee against getting and spreading Covid.

Also people do not have to put up with bad treatment and if enough complain an enquiry, royal commission etc can (eventually) be held or they can take legal action, see for example Horrifying stories from regional hospitals reveal system’s failure (smh.com.au)

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

More bad news I'm afraid, if you read your mask directions and/or vaccine card/certificate you won't find any guarantee against getting and spreading Covid.

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That's a bit of a facetious argument as you can clearly see from world wide data that doing both these things drastically reduces your chances of both catching/spreading it or being seriously ill from it - we can't stay locked down forever because a small percentage of vaccinated people can still get sick or die. If that was the benchmark, no one would be allowed to drive a car - seat belts and airbags dramatically improve survival in an accident but don't guarantee survival. Flu and other Vaccines the same. The virus is endemic in the community now - it's not going away - you can either get what's available or not and take your chances either way.

Oddly I hadn't until my sisters demanded we start planning a post lock down feed[biggrin]

Took me a few minutes. Ready for the nice Ballarat pub grub- Big juicy rare and a icey cold [thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig] Bring it on

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Originally Posted by Homestar

That's a bit of a facetious argument as you can clearly see from world wide data that doing both these things drastically reduces your chances of both catching/spreading it or being seriously ill from it - we can't stay locked down forever because a small percentage of vaccinated people can still get sick or die. If that was the benchmark, no one would be allowed to drive a car - seat belts and airbags dramatically improve survival in an accident but don't guarantee survival. Flu and other Vaccines the same. The virus is endemic in the community now - it's not going away - you can either get what's available or not and take your chances either way.

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whilst agree entirely with you

i noted in this morning news that there are rumblings in the USA that they are now believing that allowing it to become endemic is not the way forward ... bit late i thought to myself

be interested to hear how in hell they propose to do that

didn't get a chance to read the articles to see whether they were for real or just clickbait....

Got a message from my sister in law this morning in the UK to say she's returned a positive PCR and is feeling pretty crappy. She's vaccinated, so it'll be interesting to see how she goes.

We've had another friend over there cop a dose a couple of months ago and she said "It's the worst thing that has ever happened to me and if I wasn't vaccinated I probably wouldn't have survived". She's not soft either.

We live in interesting times.

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Originally Posted by BradC

Got a message from my sister in law this morning in the UK to say she's returned a positive PCR and is feeling pretty crappy. She's vaccinated, so it'll be interesting to see how she goes.

We've had another friend over there cop a dose a couple of months ago and she said "It's the worst thing that has ever happened to me and if I wasn't vaccinated I probably wouldn't have survived". She's not soft either.

We live in interesting times.

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How is your friend going now?