Thread: Covid Mk ll

A very FEW doctors might be about to get a kick up the butt? The rumours if true will be hiding not shouting as the Medical Doctor if they really exist well be stuffed and mounted. Note Chiropatitor call themselfs Doctors now an I wonder it the rumored dodgy exemptions just might come from a tiny MINORITY of that profession. Not suggesting, aledging or suspecting all are invloved

Leading GP says legitimate vaccine exemptions 'exceedingly rare'

The latest vaccination figures come as health authorities acknowledged reports of some Victorian GPs giving their patients medical exemptions from the COVID-19 vaccine.
"I have heard those reports. There are very specific reasons for exemptions under the CHO directions and they relate to specific contraindications to the vaccine," deputy health secretary Kate Matson said.
Exemptions may be given if a person has suffered anaphylaxis after a previous dose of a vaccine.
Ms Matson said legitimate reasons for exemptions being granted were rare and that giving an unnecessary exemption was considered a breach of public health orders.
"The penalties are well outlined in the CHO directions and in the public health and wellbeing act." From the ABC news site and other places. Off for a run so no link sorry

Originally Posted by johnp38

And hopefully feeling like crap is as far as it goes, the vaccine doing its job and reducing it to a bad flu level, and the kids sail through asymptomatic or mild sniffles.

However when it comes to anti-vaxxers who are just anti-*insert what can I rail against today* and send me texts saying 'good luck when a third arm grows out ya arse' it makes me very much have the I'm vaxxed and screw you attitude.

The anti-vaxxers seem to be getting a lot of attention, but given that NSW is heading towards a 95% first-vaccination rate, it'd suggest that they really are a minority.

I wonder if it's more prevalent outside Vic, NSW and the ACT where people are acutely aware of the death toll among the unvaccinated?

Originally Posted by Arapiles

The anti-vaxxers seem to be getting a lot of attention, but given that NSW is heading towards a 95% first-vaccination rate, it'd suggest that they really are a minority.

I wonder if it's more prevalent outside Vic, NSW and the ACT where people are acutely aware of the death toll among the unvaccinated?

Almost everyone in NSW over 50 is already above 95% first dose, and you have to get down to 30-34 to get below 90%, and the only age group below 80% is 12-15. I agree that it is reasonable to assume the first dose figure is the proportion who are definitely not antivax. In my view, the attention given to antivaxxers is way out of proportion to their actual numbers.

today I found out about one vaccinated person who tested positive. We have dozen plus of the un-vaccinated who are. What was both great and also worth considering is the positive case has very low symptoms

That has two very important issues/considerations

1. unlikely to pass on the virus unless to a un-vaccinated person or vaccinated immunocompromised person in close contact as probably a low viral load
2. Some vaccinated people are asymptomatic will not know they have Covid and may not get tested

minor point is Get tested if any symptom no matter where you are. It is more than clear cases are walking, driving and flying who may not have a clue they have Covid and your or my safe place is not at all that safe unless you are vaccinated no matter which state you live in.

Just my non medical thoughts of course.

Might get a photo later of yours truly in full PPE doing a Deep Clean. I did honestly try not to be a tight wad- Quote was $3500 plus. While I can apply for a rebate ( so can your business in some states at least ) Link for Victorian version. Ill wear the monkey suite, gloves, mask.... and know the job is done while leaving my tight wad alone Sent a Doctor home for a few days. Chatted with another one in the same place after they both had people they tried to help turn up with a test result no one wants to see.

DHS and I are getting on fine now as the cool nurse I got to chat a few hours after I called the 'Doctors Urgent issue number' to actually knew her stuff. Sadly she told me a Public health unit at a nearby hospital would be the ones to control the issues I know about. Guess they are too busy to call me?

Keep safe and assume every bugger is crook until proven otherwise. I'm not paranoid - really? Night all

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

That has two very important issues/considerations

1. unlikely to pass on the virus unless to a un-vaccinated person or vaccinated immunocompromised person in close contact as probably a low viral load
2. Some vaccinated people are asymptomatic will not know they have Covid and may not get tested

Just a counter and not intended to in any way diminish the push for vaccination.

In the UK depending on area and age, children are still waiting to be vaccinated. I know of several cases of a vaccinated parent passing it on in the household. So while I understand the theory, the reduced viral load doesn't appear to make much of a difference to those in frequent close proximity (in my experience which makes my comment anecdotal really).

If I were to re-phrase that, it'd be "Of all the vaccinated positive cases I know of in the UK, none of them have failed to pass it on when in contact with others, vaccinated or not".

In recent news, my other nephew now has it. Mum has now given it to the three (currently unvaccinated) kids (or one has given it to another, who knows). I'd love to say my sample size is just this household in Southampton, but unfortunately it's not. Every single vaccinated infected person I know of in the UK from Southampton to Edinburgh has infected at least one other person, and in most cases multiple. Thankfully most of them are vaccinated and have avoided symptoms requiring medical intervention.

They also all have access to the household lateral flow test and test regularly, seeking a PCR for confirmation. My eldest nephew consistently returned positive lateral flow but negative PCR until it developed further. On the other hand, his mother returned negative lateral flow but strongly positive PCR. More confusion. Would you prefer a false negative or a false positive? I know which way I'd go!

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

today I found out about one vaccinated person who tested positive. We have dozen plus of the un-vaccinated who are. What was both great and also worth considering is the positive case has very low symptoms

That has two very important issues/considerations

1. unlikely to pass on the virus unless to a un-vaccinated person or vaccinated immunocompromised person in close contact as probably a low viral load
2. Some vaccinated people are asymptomatic will not know they have Covid and may not get tested

minor point is Get tested if any symptom no matter where you are. It is more than clear cases are walking, driving and flying who may not have a clue they have Covid and your or my safe place is not at all that safe unless you are vaccinated no matter which state you live in.

Just my non medical thoughts of course.

Might get a photo later of yours truly in full PPE doing a Deep Clean. I did honestly try not to be a tight wad- Quote was $3500 plus. While I can apply for a rebate ( so can your business in some states at least ) Link for Victorian version. Ill wear the monkey suite, gloves, mask.... and know the job is done while leaving my tight wad alone Sent a Doctor home for a few days. Chatted with another one in the same place after they both had people they tried to help turn up with a test result no one wants to see.

DHS and I are getting on fine now as the cool nurse I got to chat a few hours after I called the 'Doctors Urgent issue number' to actually knew her stuff. Sadly she told me a Public health unit at a nearby hospital would be the ones to control the issues I know about. Guess they are too busy to call me?

Keep safe and assume every bugger is crook until proven otherwise. I'm not paranoid - really? Night all

Thank you Dr.

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err J1.

I bet you haven't even thought about doing a Charity Fun Run in full PPE. That could be a money spinner for summat, but only if you finished on your own two feet of course.


TiC.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

A very FEW doctors might be about to get a kick up the butt? The rumours if true will be hiding not shouting as the Medical Doctor if they really exist well be stuffed and mounted. Note Chiropatitor call themselfs Doctors now an I wonder it the rumored dodgy exemptions just might come from a tiny MINORITY of that profession. Not suggesting, aledging or suspecting all are invloved

Leading GP says legitimate vaccine exemptions 'exceedingly rare'

The latest vaccination figures come as health authorities acknowledged reports of some Victorian GPs giving their patients medical exemptions from the COVID-19 vaccine.
"I have heard those reports. There are very specific reasons for exemptions under the CHO directions and they relate to specific contraindications to the vaccine," deputy health secretary Kate Matson said.
Exemptions may be given if a person has suffered anaphylaxis after a previous dose of a vaccine.
Ms Matson said legitimate reasons for exemptions being granted were rare and that giving an unnecessary exemption was considered a breach of public health orders.
"The penalties are well outlined in the CHO directions and in the public health and wellbeing act." From the ABC news site and other places. Off for a run so no link sorry

As you are aware J1 they could be a Doctor of anything but still is a bit of a subterfuge.


The bloke who cleans our Concrete Water Storage tank calls himself "The Tank Doctor" but I bet he'd be bloody useless when it came to diagnosing humans. No Kid.

Originally Posted by Tote

NSW clearly is the gold standard on first vaccination rates with 71.49% fully vaccinated, although the ACT is still leading on first doses at 95.99% or is that not what you meant ?

Regards,
Tote

you say it to suit yourself

you knew what I was doing....