Thread: Covid Mk ll

Originally Posted by Eevo

i understand this. everytime i get the flu jab, 2 days off sick.
covid jab was the same.
i dont have time for that.

My wife and I had similar experiences with our AZ shot. I questioned my brother-in-law who is in the medical game about this having some concern
His reply was don’t stress about it, if your body reacts to the vaccine it’s a sign that your immune system is up to scratch and doing what it has evolved too do

Cheers Paul

Yep my doctor said the same. A mild reaction proves it's working.

I can't see how we can open up at 70-80% of eligible adults vaxed if children remain unprotected and there are hundreds of cases. There would be a pandemic of unaccinated children. What parent would risk that?

Vaccination rate of 70% won’t end lockdowns if Covid case numbers are too high, Doherty Institute expert says | Australia news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The USA is talking about a booster for those already vaxed. Didn't Morrison do a deal for a booster here early next year?

Yes, he did - 85 million doses.

Australia secures additional Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for 2022 and 2023 | Prime Minister of Australia


(Again, I note that they used the phrase "a .... shot in the arm" without any apparent irony .... )

Israel was one of the first countries to fully vaccinate its eligible citizens - it spent billions buying Pfizer - and then proceeded to re-open.

Having re-opened they're now having a surge in Delta, with 7,500 cases per day.

This excellent article explains why:

Highly Vaccinated Israel Is Seeing A Dramatic Surge In New Cases : Goats and Soda : NPR

Note the 5th lesson:

"5. Vaccinations are key, but they are not enough.

Israel is trying to slow the wave without resorting to a new lockdown, which Prime Minister Naftali Bennett says would take an economic toll and "destroy the future of the country." The country is placing caps on gatherings, increasing hospital staff and pleading for unvaccinated people to get immunized."


Also, Israel has a much higher vaccination rate than Australia is aiming for and it still hasn't helped - because of people who were eligible to be vaccinated but chose not to be:

4. Israel's high vaccination rate isn't high enough.

The country jumped out ahead of all other countries on vaccines, and 78% of eligible Israelis over 12 years old are vaccinated.
But Israel has a young population, with many under the eligible age for vaccination, and about 1.1 million eligible Israelis, largely between the ages of 12 and 20, have declined to take even one dose of the vaccine.
That means only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that's not nearly high enough.
"We have a very large fraction of our population who are paying the price for a small fraction of the population who did not go to get the vaccine," said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of Science, who advises the Israeli government on COVID-19.
Unvaccinated people helped fuel the rapid spread of the virus while the country remained open for business in recent months with few serious restrictions.
"That will lead to mass infection, which is exactly what we are seeing now," said Segal.

My test results came back: NEGATIVE, yesterday afternoon. Back to work Monday.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Yep my doctor said the same. A mild reaction proves it's working.

I can't see how we can open up at 70-80% of eligible adults vaxed if children remain unprotected and there are hundreds of cases. There would be a pandemic of unaccinated children. What parent would risk that?

Vaccination rate of 70% won’t end lockdowns if Covid case numbers are too high, Doherty Institute expert says | Australia news | The Guardian

It would have to be 80% of the population , children included, don't forget, vaccinations may keep you out of hospital, but you can still get Covid, and long Covid.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Yep my doctor said the same. A mild reaction proves it's working.
.... .....

I hope that doesn't mean that no reaction at all, not even a sore arm, isn't proof that the immune system isn't working.

Second AZ jab today, No dramas