Thread: Consequences of buying an EV

A mate sent me this. An interesting read:

The Shocking Naked Truth—By Bruce Haedrich

When I saw the title of this lecture, especially with the picture of the scantily clad model, I couldn’t resist
attending. The packed auditorium was abuzz with questions about the address; nobody seemed to know what to
expect. The only hint was a large aluminum block sitting on a sturdy table on the stage.
When the crowd settled down, a scholarly-looking man walked out and put his hand on the shiny block, “Good
evening,” he said, “I am here to introduce NMC532-X,” and he patted the block, “we call him NM for short,”
and the man smiled proudly. “NM is a typical electric vehicle (EV) car battery in every way except one; we
programmed him to send signals of the internal movements of his electrons when charging, discharging, and in
several other conditions. We wanted to know what it feels like to be a battery. We don’t know how it happened,
but NM began to talk after we downloaded the program.
Despite this ability, we put him in a car for a year and then asked him if he’d like to do presentations about
batteries. He readily agreed on the condition he could say whatever he wanted. We thought that was fine, and
so, without further ado, I’ll turn the floor over to NM,” the man turned and walked off the stage.
“Good evening,” NM said. He had a slightly affected accent, and when he spoke, he lit up in different colors.
“That cheeky woman on the marquee was my idea,” he said. “Were she not there, along with ‘naked’ in the title,
I’d likely be speaking to an empty auditorium! I also had them add ‘shocking’ because it’s a favorite word
amongst us batteries.” He flashed a light blue color as he laughed.
“Sorry,” NM giggled then continued, “three days ago, at the start of my last lecture, three people walked out. I
suppose they were disappointed there would be no dancing girls. But here is what I noticed about them. One
was wearing a battery-powered hearing aid, one tapped on his battery-powered cell phone as he left, and a third
got into his car, which would not start without a battery. So I’d like you to think about your day for a moment;
how many batteries do you rely on?”
He paused for a full minute which gave us time to count our batteries. Then he went on, “Now, it is not
elementary to ask, ‘what is a battery?’ I think Tesla said it best when they called us Energy Storage Systems.
That’s important. We do not make electricity – we store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal,
uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is
not at all valid. Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it
follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, n’est-ce pas?”
He flashed blue again. “Einstein’s formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five
thousand pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what
produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a
gas tank in a car.”
He lit up red when he said that, and I sensed he was smiling. Then he continued in blue and orange. “Mr. Elkay
introduced me as NMC532. If I were the battery from your computer mouse, Elkay would introduce me as
double-A, if from your cell phone as CR2032, and so on. We batteries all have the same name depending on our
design. By the way, the ‘X’ in my name stands for ‘experimental.’
There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A,
AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or
zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.
Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and
nickel-cadmium.
The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in
landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used
batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.
All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer
power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As
the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery’s metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The
metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will
inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable
batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The
good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to
recycle batteries like me or care to dispose of single-use ones properly.
But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a
closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call
environmentally destructive embedded costs.”
NM got redder as he spoke. “Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and
operating costs. I will explain embedded costs using a can of baked beans as my subject.
In this scenario, baked beans are on sale, so you jump in your car and head for the grocery store. Sure
enough, there they are on the shelf for $1.75 a can. As you head to the checkout, you begin to think about the
embedded costs in the can of beans.
The first cost is the diesel fuel the farmer used to plow the field, till the ground, harvest the beans, and
transport them to the food processor. Not only is his diesel fuel an embedded cost, so are the costs to build the
tractors, combines, and trucks. In addition, the farmer might use a nitrogen fertilizer made from natural gas.
Next is the energy costs of cooking the beans, heating the building, transporting the workers, and paying for
the vast amounts of electricity used to run the plant. The steel can holding the beans is also an embedded cost
Making the steel can requires mining taconite, shipping it by boat, extracting the iron, placing it in a
coal-fired blast furnace, and adding carbon Then it’s back on another truck to take the beans to the grocery
store. Finally, add in the cost of the gasoline for your car.
But wait - can you guess one of the highest but rarely acknowledged embedded costs?” NM said, then gave
us about thirty seconds to make our guesses. Then he flashed his lights and said, “It’s the depreciation on the
5000 pound car you used to transport one pound of canned beans!”
NM took on a golden glow, and I thought he might have winked. He said, “But that can of beans is nothing
compared to me! I am hundreds of times more complicated. My embedded costs not only come in the form of
energy use; they come as environmental destruction, pollution, disease, child labor, and the inability to be
recycled.”
He paused, “I weigh one thousand pounds, and as you see, I am about the size of a travel trunk.” NM’s lights
showed he was serious. “I contain twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of
manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside
me are 6,831 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each
auto battery like me, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the
cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000
pounds of the earth’s crust for just - one - battery.
He let that one sink in, then added, “I mentioned disease and child labor a moment ago. Here’s why.
Sixty-eight percent of the world’s cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines
have no pollution controls and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we
factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?”
NM’s red and orange light made it look like he was on fire. “Finally,” he said, “I’d like to leave you with
these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to
power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being ‘green,’ but it is not! This
construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the
panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid,
hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide,
copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a
hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the
equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of
fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade
weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used
blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects.
NM lights dimmed, and he quietly said, “There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look
beyond the myth of zero emissions. I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded
environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent. I’m trying to do my part with these
lectures.
Thank you for your attention, good night, and good luck.” NM’s lights went out, and he was quiet, like a
regular battery.

Originally Posted by chuck

Does any one know where you can go to get actual facts around this stuff.

It seems there are opposing sides and values are quoted accordingly

For example i grow apples & tomatoes at home and they certainly don't required the amounts of water quoted & i find it hard to believe 500,000lbs of dirt have to be dug up to get the ingredients for 1 battery.

Cheers

Yes some of the table I posted is hard to believe, it was by the UK's Institute Of Mechanical Engineers, perhaps an agronomist might know more about food production inputs, but after that there is processing, so might not have the complete picture either.