Power prices, gas prices- ouch or Solar perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

This video has a more educated discussion of grid stability with renewables, and how the grid operator AEMO is dealing with it. Written and presented by an engineer who has worked in the field for her whole career and now consults in it. Also an interesting take that negative power during the day is because the coal stations can't scale back. [bigwhistle]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosemarybarnes/

https://youtu.be/qavFbOpt4jA?si=fUZL_ZE74qP9te4D

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I have no doubt. If we spend enough anything can be done .... how many billions .... trillions ... are we talking??? They will probably be talking running huge, massive synchroness generators. Are we going to bankrupt .... 1 ... 2 ... maybe 4 generations of australians trying to do this stupidity?

Let me guess, re-wire the entire coutnry (yeah right) and billions of dollars of fire prone batteries.

I've never looked into the syncrhoness generators .... Do we actually have to use the intermittant power we have managed to generate ... to turn them .... so even use the limited amount of power generated to turn big generators to try and stablise the grid.

Its just all insane .... crazy ....

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

What have you done .... You have destroyed my youtube algorithm. rather than getting endless classic/old car videos recommended to me ... I get this ... Who the hell is topher field?

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Topher has been around a long time. I first came across him during the Melbourne Water "Crisis". Remember the Wonthaggi White Elephant and stealing water from the Goulburn river irrigation system? Another great scare campaign. It was hilarious when Premier Dan ordered the WWE turned on, and it didn't work. Hilarious, until you remember we are STILL paying for it. See any similarities? Topher does.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

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I've never looked into the syncrhoness generators .... Do we actually have to use the intermittant power we have managed to generate ... to turn them .... so even use the limited amount of power generated to turn big generators to try and stablise the grid.

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Pretty sure it's the other way around. The intermittents cannot join the grid unless the synchronous gens are already providing 50 Hz. This was very clearly demonstrates when Adelaide's grid went down, an event many people conveniently overlook.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I do feel for people. They should be able to trust the media. But the lines between a paid political add (CIS) and news is becoming imperceptible. People shouldn't have to do an analysis of everything they consume. Its just too time consuming, and even with the best intentions you can still get done.

I just heard that the report that the Nationals used to justify dumping net zero accounted in detail for the renewable side of the equation for every expense of building as well as network upgrades that would be required for the grid going forward. It turns out that version one of their report included the cost of building and modernising the coal plants that would also be required, but the version 2 which they used to support their position only included a token amount for maintenance of existing plants, and completely left out the building of new plants. They also excluded grid upgrades that would be required, which AEMO said would also be required for coal powered stations. Ooopsie.

There are so many "facts" and half truths in this. People shouldn't be required to fact check everything. It makes me sad.

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I did chuckle at the BBC Walk the plank using an edited Video. I doubt it was a deliberate lie, yet fact checking is required. "The BBC’s director-general and its chief executive of news have resigned"

It is true we sell our gas O.S. for peanuts and pay a motza for it. [bighmmm][bighmmm][bighmmm]

Ah, we have the opinion of ONE engineer. Is there any balance in her vid? And as for the AEMO, they are the poor mob tasked with making these political pipe dreams actually work, and it's a very thankless task indeed, which is why the real engineers have left. Ideology is not engineering, just as it isn't science, as witnessed by the decline of the CSIRO. Yes, I know good people still work there, but they are not at the top.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Ah, we have the opinion of ONE engineer. Is there any balance in her vid? And as for the AEMO, they are the poor mob tasked with making these political pipe dreams actually work, and it's a very thankless task indeed, which is why the real engineers have left. Ideology is not engineering, just as it isn't science, as witnessed by the decline of the CSIRO. Yes, I know good people still work there, but they are not at the top.

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I haven't watched the video. But I do believe most things are possible in theory where you have incredibly intelligent people working on the issues. The issue in this case, is resource availability, timelines and cost (most importantly cost).

Another problem is theory is often almost impossible to put into practice.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Ah, we have the opinion of ONE engineer. Is there any balance in her vid? And as for the AEMO, they are the poor mob tasked with making these political pipe dreams actually work, and it's a very thankless task indeed, which is why the real engineers have left. Ideology is not engineering, just as it isn't science, as witnessed by the decline of the CSIRO. Yes, I know good people still work there, but they are not at the top.

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What do you do. The video is produced by an engineer who has worked in the field her whole career and now consults in it as well as producing content. I suspect if she destroys her reputation she's on tough times.

The video presented earlier here which I suggested was rubbish is presented by a lady who is only been working for five years and never in the field, nor does she have any qualifications. She also proudly boasts she's passion about nuclear energy. I suppose everyone needs a hobby. Of the other contributors - Jae Lubberink, Michael Wu and Aidan Morrison, none of them have any qualifications or have worked in the field either. Plus they all work for a opaque institute that refuses to disclose their backers.

I dunno .. if you think would like to take your information from that crew.. I just can't help you. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I haven't watched the video. But I do believe most things are possible in theory where you have incredibly intelligent people working on the issues. The issue in this case, is resource availability, timelines and cost (most importantly cost).

Another problem is theory is often almost impossible to put into practice.

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I can't argue with anything you've said there.

Sometimes I think people can be too fixated on the problems. You actually need people to focus on finding solutions.

It's like my driver trainer. Don't look at what you don't want to hit. Focus on the gap. If you look at the tree you will hit the tree. Australians have a history of coming up with innovative solutions.