Thread: Power prices, gas prices- ouch or Solar perhaps?

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Or skeptical me may want to ensure I can cook with my induction cook top when the wind, sun and other bits are not working as well as the dreamers of the world claim? Not suggesting I am right or wrong. I have had another power outage today. Small first world problem mostly of course and I appreciate that limits of almost everything applies

Out of interest, how long would your setup last, if, for argument's sake, power was out for 3-4 days with dodgy sun?

Why I'm asking is that we lose power sometimes, for anywhere between 1 to 7 days. Especially storm season. We have a 6Kva AVR'd genny that plugs into the house switchboard. Runs the place easily. It's a necessity, as all our house water is electric pump dependent.

7 days is about 3 x 20l jerries of fuel. We turn the genny off overnight, with no ill effects.

We have 13.2 Kva solar.

Originally Posted by Saitch

Out of interest, how long would your setup last, if, for argument's sake, power was out for 3-4 days with dodgy sun?

Why I'm asking is that we lose power sometimes, for anywhere between 1 to 7 days. Especially storm season. We have a 6Kva AVR'd genny that plugs into the house switchboard. Runs the place easily. It's a necessity, as all our house water is electric pump dependent.

7 days is about 3 x 20l jerries of fuel. We turn the genny off overnight, with no ill effects.

We have 13.2 Kva solar.

IF i didn't charge my cars 70kWh battery (or use it as VTG Yes I could even with my cheap MG4

I suspect I would last well over a week or more given my avg daily use excluding my car is very low.

I note the Battery scheme maxs out to 50kWh of batteries which would be my tip if you're likely to see 7 days! My prior waffle may have mentioned the Battery scheme is a ONE time only option so my 30kWh partly funded via it is my one shot. I would have to pay myself as I normally would and have in the past

The hum of a Gen set can be soothing is we don't mind the cost of its fuel

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

IF i didn't charge my cars 70kWh battery (or use it as VTG Yes I could even with my cheap MG4

I suspect I would last well over a week or more given my avg daily use excluding my car is very low.

I note the Battery scheme maxs out to 50kWh of batteries which would be my tip if you're likely to see 7 days! My prior waffle may have mentioned the Battery scheme is a ONE time only option so my 30kWh partly funded via it is my one shot. I would have to pay myself as I normally would and have in the past

The hum of a Gen set can be soothing is we don't mind the cost of its fuel

That's the catch here. Tens of thousands for a battery system versus an occasional ~ $150 fuel bill.

Originally Posted by Saitch

That's the catch here. Tens of thousands for a battery system versus an occasional ~ $150 fuel bill.

Sub 8K for 30kWh batteries, Inverter, 6.6kWh of solar panels and installation is not "Tens of thousands"

Interesting to note the wholesale value of the batteries is a lot less than I thought even before the very generous Battery Rebate scheme

Other NOTE: "going to be reviewed at least annually and will gradually decrease until 2030,"

"Accessing the battery discount

Consumers do not need to apply for the discount.
The discount is generally provided through accredited installers/retailers. The discount will be offered as an upfront reduction on the cost of the battery, unless you decide to register for STCs yourself via the CER.
The CER provides more information about creating and selling STCs(external link) under the program.
However, most people will decide to receive the upfront discount from the retailer/installer as a reduced price. In these instances, you should:

1. Carefully research what battery system would best suit your energy needs, including seeking multiple quotes from retailers/installers.
2. Make sure information about the value of the program discount, the system warranty, and the anticipated payback period is clearly communicated.
3. Select a reputable retailer and installer. Check with family, friends or neighbours. Ensure the battery is approved by the Clean Energy Council(external link) and the installer is properly accredited by Solar Accreditation Australia(external link).
4. Ensure the accredited installer is on site for the set-up, installation and commissioning of the battery.

More guidance on installing a battery is available on the CER’s website(external link)


"


The limits are clear. I did think of doing this all myself but found the quotes too good to pass up. If I already had solar on the roof I would have.

Who provides the grid is a key now for me. Can A Home Battery On A Time-Of-Use Tariff Pay For Itself Yet?

'Time of use' contacts seem to make this easy. Off Peak charge and the supply charge will be the key to paying less. I do not plan to sell any solar FIT for $0.01 and buy it at more

Offer rate and details

AEST only

Tariff(inc. GST)

Supply charges

139.25

¢/day

Peak

Weekday 7 am - 11 pm


All consumption

31.70 ¢/kWh

Off-Peak

Saturday 12 am - 7 am, 11 pm - 12 am, 7 am - 11 pm
Sunday 12 am - 7 am, 11 pm - 12 am, 7 am - 11 pm
Weekday 12 am - 7 am, 11 pm - 12 am


All consumption

18.96 ¢/kWh

Another with Supply charges

115.48

¢/day and higher off peak (:

A EV specific plan just found may be mine?

• EV Off-Peak - $0.08/kWh usage charge between midnight and 6am. Does not apply to controlled loads. For more information head to click here
• Free electricity between 11am and 2pm everyday. Does not apply to controlled loads. For more information head to click here
• Must own an electric vehicle.
• 100% GreenPower can be upgraded at any time.
• This offer is available only for sites with an active and communicating smart meter.

Oddly it's not TOU and has Daily Supply Charge 112.2 cents per day and Peak All Usage at 43.065 cents per kWh which appears at first bad.

Originally Posted by Saitch

That's the catch here. Tens of thousands for a battery system versus an occasional ~ $150 fuel bill.

I'd always go the generator. who wants a fire prone battery that degrades anywhere near there house or family. If there is ever a natural disaster you will have power (petrol is just so easy to move around with some fuel drums). the first thing damaged in any sort of natural disaster is fragile solar panels, crappy chinese electronic inverters ..... if the batteries didn't burn your place down first.

Like everything in life, its all a game of chance right A generator is endlessly useful. cheap chinese electronics and batteries are the least reliable thing I can think of .... What do you think the likelyhood of them and an electric throwaway car working the day you desperately need them ... (eg: after fires, floods, storms, winds, hail stones .... I consider them all almost useless).

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Who provides the grid is a key now for me. Can A Home Battery On A Time-Of-Use Tariff Pay For Itself Yet?

'Time of use' contacts seem to make this easy. Off Peak charge and the supply charge will be the key to paying less. I do not plan to sell any solar FIT for $0.01 and buy it at more

Offer rate and details

AEST only

Tariff(inc. GST)

Supply charges

139.25

¢/day

Peak

Weekday 7 am - 11 pm


All consumption

31.70 ¢/kWh

Off-Peak

Saturday 12 am - 7 am, 11 pm - 12 am, 7 am - 11 pm
Sunday 12 am - 7 am, 11 pm - 12 am, 7 am - 11 pm
Weekday 12 am - 7 am, 11 pm - 12 am


All consumption

18.96 ¢/kWh

Another with Supply charges

115.48

¢/day and higher off peak (:

A EV specific plan just found may be mine?

• EV Off-Peak - $0.08/kWh usage charge between midnight and 6am. Does not apply to controlled loads. For more information head to click here
• Free electricity between 11am and 2pm everyday. Does not apply to controlled loads. For more information head to click here
• Must own an electric vehicle.
• 100% GreenPower can be upgraded at any time.
• This offer is available only for sites with an active and communicating smart meter.

Oddly it's not TOU and has Daily Supply Charge 112.2 cents per day and Peak All Usage at 43.065 cents per kWh which appears at first bad.

Looking through this and considering my projected life span, I think I'll put my hard-earned toward something more beneficial.
Fishing gear upgrade, perhaps?

Originally Posted by Saitch

Looking through this and considering my projected life span, I think I'll put my hard-earned toward something more beneficial.
Fishing gear upgrade, perhaps?

Love the why you're thinking

Not sure if I can fit any more in the tackle box (ES) or the rod rack (S)