Thread: After The EU, Australian Territory Moves To Ban New ICE Sales In 2035

Originally Posted by spudfan

Came across this article.
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The Australian Capital Territory government wants to lead Australia’s transition to EVs.
Australia could soon follow the European Union in banning the sale of internal combustion engine vehicles. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) government, which is the nation’s seat of power, announced a new strategy to ban ICE car sales from 2035.

The plan outlines several initiatives the ACT government wants to implement to help the transition, such as expanding the public charging network, offering grants to install charging infrastructure at apartments, and more. This is the country’s first jurisdiction to move to ban sales and highlights a potential issue in the country where states enact conflicting rules and regulations.

The ACT government also aims to have 80 to 90 percent of new car sales in the territory be battery-electric and hydrogen fuel-cell electric vehicles. The government also wants to ban taxi and ride-share companies from adding more ICE vehicles to fleets. There are plans to increase the jurisdiction’s public infrastructure network to 70 chargers by 2023, with the goal of having 180 by 2025.

According to Car Expert, the ACT hopes to lead Australia’s EV revolution. The territory already offers generous interest-free loans of up to $15,000 for eligible EVs and two years of free registration. The territorial government also said its plan would call for the government to only lease zero-emission vehicles where applicable, with plans to explore replacing heavy fleet vehicles as well.
ACT’s announcement arrives mere weeks after the European Union announced it would ban new ICE car sales throughout its jurisdiction by 2035. This helps avoid individual countries creating contradictory regulations that’d add cost and complexity to the automotive industry.

The ACT government’s announcement could set the stage for federal regulations that align each state and territory in Australia. The 2035 goal is ambitious and still over a decade away from becoming a reality. It’s far from permanent, and it so far affects only a tiny portion of the population. However, the auto industry is changing, and governments worldwide are taking notice in preparation.
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This caught my eye, "with plans to explore replacing heavy fleet vehicles as well." Does this mean the Australian road train vehicles too? It would take a lot of batteries to power one of those. I cannot foresee many charging points in the outback

The ACT is 60KM from end to end and already sources 100% of its electricity from renewable sources. Heavy fleet vehicles owned by the ACT government would be few and far between and would probably not venture outside the border much, although the potential for an EV Bush fire tanker to be stuck with a flat battery on a fire ground is an interesting one....

Regards,
Tote

Another poorly conceived greens policy. Its bound to cause further divide between the haves and have nots. Luckily you can buy new cars in Yass, Queanbeyan and Goulburn.

Originally Posted by Tote

The ACT is 60KM from end to end and already sources 100% of its electricity from renewable sources. Heavy fleet vehicles owned by the ACT government would be few and far between and would probably not venture outside the border much, although the potential for an EV Bush fire tanker to be stuck with a flat battery on a fire ground is an interesting one....

Regards,
Tote

Indeed - a bunch of lithium or hydrogen would be something I wouldn’t want to be near in a burnover! And “Sorry, the vehicle protection sprinklers are flat as is the radio”…
Pretty sure diesel will be the fuel of choice for awhile there!

Originally Posted by davros

Indeed - a bunch of lithium or hydrogen would be something I wouldn’t want to be near in a burnover! And “Sorry, the vehicle protection sprinklers are flat as is the radio”…
Pretty sure diesel will be the fuel of choice for awhile there!

I do just recall a horse drawn milk delivery in Morewell vic More than sure some suggest those new dangled motor things will never beat a horse.

I agree of course diesel will be with us for a while. Not going to bet on how long.

Looked and laughed as I found my dads now extinct softdrink bottle

" Locally, 7X was the whizzbang brand, bottled and delivered out of a factory located in Morwell. A small fleet of red Bedford trucks would rush around town, with bottles of sugary water in glass bottles rattling to herald arrival at the front gate. “Your order please; I’ll be back next week to take another order thanks.” A dozen bottles were left behind for devouring within seven days. Great stuff. Excellent customer service."

The Horse draw milk delivery was possibly a stunt as they seem to predate me

"Back years earlier, prominent Morwell bakery, Rutherfords, would deliver bread, a fresh white high tin loaf more than likely. Their horse drawn bread carts were quite familiar in Morwell as bread was delivered straight from the bakery in Commercial Road, Morwell. Horse and carts would assemble at a bakehouse accessed from George Street ready to depart on their morning rounds. The smell of fresh bread was heavenly. Occasionally, a hungry child might be thrown a bread roll as a reward for asking nicely."
Churchill & District News :: Looking Back - Home deliveries

"Looking Back: Home deliveries – why so revolutionary? By Leo Billington"

Covid brought back a lot of home delivery No 7X alas or happily for our kids teeth

The ACT are certainly going with EV town fire appliances

ACT to get Australia's first plug-in fire truck in 2022 - EV Central

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Tote

The ACT are certainly going with EV town fire appliances

ACT to get Australia's first plug-in fire truck in 2022 - EV Central

Regards,
Tote

Yes - probably good around town. In the more remote areas I’m in we need long travel times with 4000l water and “instant” refuelling (as not enough vehicles to swap out for charging).
If they could have slide off/on battery pack with heat proof casing…

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I do just recall a horse drawn milk delivery in Morewell vic More than sure some suggest those new dangled motor things will never beat a horse.

I agree of course diesel will be with us for a while. Not going to bet on how long.

Looked and laughed as I found my dads now extinct softdrink bottle

" Locally, 7X was the whizzbang brand, bottled and delivered out of a factory located in Morwell. A small fleet of red Bedford trucks would rush around town, with bottles of sugary water in glass bottles rattling to herald arrival at the front gate. “Your order please; I’ll be back next week to take another order thanks.” A dozen bottles were left behind for devouring within seven days. Great stuff. Excellent customer service."

The Horse draw milk delivery was possibly a stunt as they seem to predate me

"Back years earlier, prominent Morwell bakery, Rutherfords, would deliver bread, a fresh white high tin loaf more than likely. Their horse drawn bread carts were quite familiar in Morwell as bread was delivered straight from the bakery in Commercial Road, Morwell. Horse and carts would assemble at a bakehouse accessed from George Street ready to depart on their morning rounds. The smell of fresh bread was heavenly. Occasionally, a hungry child might be thrown a bread roll as a reward for asking nicely."
Churchill & District News :: Looking Back - Home deliveries

"Looking Back: Home deliveries – why so revolutionary? By Leo Billington"

Covid brought back a lot of home delivery No 7X alas or happily for our kids teeth

It will be interesting how long!
If they can get heat resistant batteries with a slide out change over (or carbon nano tube types that can charge super fast), it’s days are numbered.
In fact interesting to know how long before petrochemicals are declared dangerous carcinogens. No way can we buy any other liquid with the properties and dangers of diesel or petrol in bulk with ease. As I said, days are numbered (and numbered before my Lightweight and ‘35 Rolls Royce will be desecrated with electric power!)

Originally Posted by davros

It will be interesting how long!
If they can get heat resistant batteries with a slide out change over (or carbon nano tube types that can charge super fast), itÂ’s days are numbered.
In fact interesting to know how long before petrochemicals are declared dangerous carcinogens. No way can we buy any other liquid with the properties and dangers of diesel or petrol in bulk with ease. As I said, days are numbered (and numbered before my Lightweight and ‘35 Rolls Royce will be desecrated with electric power!)

1980s Gamelon detergent was used by this black duck by the Drum load, Fuel oil burnt by the Tonne is also like diesel all are well know carcinogen now. Note many of my older ships used asbestos lagging and smokes or durries were 20 to 60 cents a packet on ships!


Some thing will kill us all. Very happy to try not to sit behind a bus or similar including people spewing smelly dangerous far more expensive carcinogens to avoid the avoidable.

Australia will be a bit slow as usual with changes. I found McDonald Chicken nuggets in the USA 5 years before they invaded Australia in the late 1980s

Waiting to see your cool Ev conversions 35 Rolls Royce. If done with some of even the current 'Currant' engine it may need a brake upgrade as it will be a Rolls Royce Rocket Roller

Waiting for a replacement for my boat and love to have the option to make my Disco a long range 4wd Green Machine towing rig. Fairy sure very happily Australian some new tech will give us all a few options very shortly.

One is from Deakin uni "‘Entirely novel’ mechanochemical breakthrough for storing hydrogenResearchers at Melbourne’s Deakin University have discovered a novel way to separate, store and transport large amounts of gas. The method, they say, is efficient, affordable and creates no waste – carrying huge implications for the burgeoning green hydrogen industry and for the energy transition at large" "Dr Srikanth Mateti (left) and Professor Ying Chen, the Chair of Nanotechnology at Deakin’s Institute for Frontier Materials "

and the other make hydrogen with 1/8th of the power needed for the other clean method pending proof at scale South of Perth. The other tech is in the news as "The Hydrogen Stream: Gas prices are higher than levelized cost of hydrogen for several technologies in Europe" "Natural gas prices are currently higher than the levelized cost of hydrogen (LCOH) using alkaline electrolyzer technology on an energy equivalent basis in the UK, Sweden, Italy, Spain, France, Poland, and Germany, according to data provided by BloombergNEF"
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My favorite mobile battery tech other than my Aussie Flow Batteries is a solid state 'quantum' leap over current types I have to be patient of course- DOH.