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    Picking up the S2A - piccies

    Well. That was FUN.

    We drove up to Buladelah yesterday morning in my Defender and finally found the place right on lunch time. Total trip time from Lake Macquarie was 2 hours, 30 mins and about 210km.

    We met Tracey-Lee (the previous owner) and she proceeded to show us the vehicle. The paint has deteriorated as expected, but the chassis is as clean as a whistle in terms of rust. There is none. Anywhere. The engine needs some carburettor work as it's leaking a little, which might also have to do with the idle revs being way too high. Might be running rich too, although no smoke at all out of the pipe at speed. There are a bunch of rotten rubber pipes under the bonnet, so replacing those with now ones might seal a few nasty vacuum leaks, etc too.

    I worked out the gearbox within a mile or two and we were on the way! It cruised the freeway (when it got up some initial momentum) at an indicated 60mph without problem. A couple of times it got away and reached nearly 70. I didn't want to go faster even though it could have. The engine is, for whatever reason, very smooth - not really revvy, but almost silky at most engine speeds. The gearbox and transmission is so LOUD (especially on throttle-off overrun) that I couldn't hear myself think. Geez - it would really be an ask to drive one of these around Australia - or even to Melbourne. Wow! It took concentration and a certain amount of bravado to drive these things long distances fast. Is every gear straight-cut or something???

    Anyhoo - I got it back to Lake Mac the long way around (after Murray decided to turn left at Hexham and take the highway through Charlestown rather than the freeway through Morriset as planned so that I could catch up with Dobbo. Sorry Dobbo - I'll bring her around over the next couple of weeks - promise!

    All up - 237km, half a tank of unleaded (with valve lube additive), a rattly brain and no hearing left to speak of and it's at its new home. I feel good saving another Land Rover from a potentially ignominious end if it had gone to a non-enthusiast. REMLR - here we come.

    What a great old bus. I want I want I want!

    (Update: Jenny found a 1972 S2A for $500 today - so we may go and get that this weekend..... fingers crossed)

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    Murray with his new toy








    Chassis number is as expected... 25315896c

    1.Series 2A 109" G.S. 1966 model. Census No. c6028 (G.S. Gen/Service)
    2. Chassis Number 25315896c (should be)
    3. Engine Number 25243626H. (already knew that one)
    4. Army Rego No. 113-926.
    5. Disposed of in Victoria (Sthrn Comm.)
    6. 1 of 3,727 109" Land Rovers used by Aus/Army.
    7. 1 of 240 G.S. Land Rovers with ARN commencing with 113.
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    Gotta love those electrics, a mess of wires what was Lucas on, when he designed them.
    Cheers Baz.

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    Looks like a very good example. Most of the noise probably comes from the transfer case - these usually produce some noise, but rarely fail. The noise is emphasised by the total lack of insulation and probably holes in the floor that let more noise in. Replacing the bearings may improve matters, but they are never really quiet by modern standards. There is oil in the transfer and gear boxes?

    If an overdrive is fitted these are usually noisy to very noisy when engaged (lever forwarded), and overhauling it is likely to be worthwhile. Again, quieter with oil in it.

    The 2.25 engine is actually a very good engine in my view, not particularly powerful or economical, but usually very smooth and quiet unless the tappets need adjusting, very durable, and stands an awful lot of abuse.
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    Good stuff chris, bring it to the BBQ we can blow the cobwebs out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW
    Looks like a very good example. Most of the noise probably comes from the transfer case - these usually produce some noise, but rarely fail. The noise is emphasised by the total lack of insulation and probably holes in the floor that let more noise in. Replacing the bearings may improve matters, but they are never really quiet by modern standards. There is oil in the transfer and gear boxes?

    If an overdrive is fitted these are usually noisy to very noisy when engaged (lever forwarded), and overhauling it is likely to be worthwhile. Again, quieter with oil in it.

    The 2.25 engine is actually a very good engine in my view, not particularly powerful or economical, but usually very smooth and quiet unless the tappets need adjusting, very durable, and stands an awful lot of abuse.
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    Cheers John

    We'll be addressing a total fluidic transfusion over the next few days. You're right - the overdrive is unbelievably noisy - so oil levels might be low. What oils would you recommend for this vehicles' engine, gearbox, T/case, diffs?

    Another point - I could not get the overdrive to disengage once I'd come off the freeway. In the backwards position it provides no drive at all. However - it did before we made it on to the freeway at the beginning of our journey. Any thoughts?

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace
    Good stuff chris, bring it to the BBQ we can blow the cobwebs out of it.
    hehe.. I'm having a right royal time driving on the flat......

    I think that I have clutch problems on the Defender too ATM. I've been putting off swapping the master, so I'll try to get it done this W/E. I have an awful feeling that my clutch itself may be done too. Today it started the dreaded shudder at take-off....

    We're trying to make it to your BBQ though.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaroo
    We're trying to make it to your BBQ though.......
    Goodo, i am sure you will sort it. Matt
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    Picking up the 2a - piccies

    G'day Omaroo
    That is one clean looking 2a are you going to return it to Military specs ? if so you have a good start, and you could leave it as a windowed hardtop, the speedo on my 2a G.S. reads about 10 MPH over as 100kph is getting close to WARP speed Yes the transfer gears are straight cut, the best way to sus out the Gearbox/transfer box, is to first check the oil levels (both use EP 90) as do the diffs, and swivel housings, (OMD 220) if you put a tube of "Wynns Gear box and Diff "treatment in the T/fer case it should quieten down markedly, if the speedo needle wavers a bit, check that the rear output nut ( on the flange under the front of rear uni joint 1" nut) it should be at about 80 foot/pounds, as it is what holds the speedo drive tight, it also allows the rear shaft to move and wear the rear oil seal the radiator should have a shroud that attaches to the radiator sides, that covers the miltary fan, it looks like it still has it's original Solex carb, but has been fitted with late series2a/3 anti pollution gear, as 1966 models did not have any A/P gear fitted,it did not come it until 1970, the engine colour looks like a military reco as the different Base W/shops each had an allocated colour, all in all it is one very clean unit, congrats



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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaroo
    Cheers John

    We'll be addressing a total fluidic transfusion over the next few days. You're right - the overdrive is unbelievably noisy - so oil levels might be low. What oils would you recommend for this vehicles' engine, gearbox, T/case, diffs?

    Another point - I could not get the overdrive to disengage once I'd come off the freeway. In the backwards position it provides no drive at all. However - it did before we made it on to the freeway at the beginning of our journey. Any thoughts?

    Cheers
    Chris
    Engine is not particularly fussy about oil - I use Castrol 20-50, change at 5000km, 3000m (I assume it has an imperial speedo). All gear systems - gearbox, transfer case, both axles, swivels, overdrive specify EP90, on recommendation from those who should know, I am using fully synthetic gear oil in the overdrive, but I am not sure if it makes any difference.

    The overdrive has three positions - Direct-Neutral-Overdrive to Front. The overdrive needs checking - most likely simply the teeth lined up, or may be out of oil, for example, or the pinch bolt of the selector fork on the selector rod may need tightening (in the right place - remove top cover to see this) if it won't go into direct, or it may be something more serious. There is very little movement between direct and neutral.

    The overdrive, by the way should not be used except in third and fourth, although there should be no problems if you treat the throttle lightly.
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    Picking up the 2a- Piccies

    G'day Omaroo
    Wasn't aware of the O'drive, "Wynns" gear/diff in that too will shut them up as well, they have a VERY small oil sump and need regular checking, if it is ex-military it should have a removable panel under the centre seat, may even still have the tilly box you can access the tranie from there

    cheers.

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