Thread: Toyo TDV8 versus Landy TDV8...

And, Still for some reason people flock to the toyo brand? And when they finally put coils on the rear of the 70 series cruiser, its will be like they re invented the wheel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geck

Coil springs and Disk Brakes... wow, innovation in the 21st century

I suspect that the work horse versions have lower power than the new 200 series will have. Seems like a stupid question to me as what the hell are landrover doing only fitting a 2.4 litre engine to the new defender. I know which one will sell better.
I know this is a Landrover site and have owned Rangies for more than 20 years but Toyota certainly know what they are doing with marketing. How many times have Landrover been sold etc in the last few years, there was the tie with Honda, then BMW now Ford and Ford is going broke. Cant see Toyota having any financial problems so they probably know what they are doing and what the market wants. Cant see why we need to criticise other makes just because we decide to drive Rovers.

Ian

Originally Posted by amtravic1

I suspect that the work horse versions have lower power than the new 200 series will have. Seems like a stupid question to me as what the hell are landrover doing only fitting a 2.4 litre engine to the new defender. I know which one will sell better.
I know this is a Landrover site and have owned Rangies for more than 20 years but Toyota certainly know what they are doing with marketing. How many times have Landrover been sold etc in the last few years, there was the tie with Honda, then BMW now Ford and Ford is going broke. Cant see Toyota having any financial problems so they probably know what they are doing and what the market wants. Cant see why we need to criticise other makes just because we decide to drive Rovers.

Ian

Toyota are the richest car maker in the world. I know a few years ago I read that they could buy honda outright from their cash reserves and still have change Like it or not... they are financially very effective.

All this talk about motors and size is I think missing the real issue. Even though the fender only has a 2.4 let's not forget that it will probably be 600kg lighter than the troopie and is currently some 800kg lighter than a sahara.

Also, let's not forget that the japs quote horsepower in a japanese standard which overstates the power by nearly 20% compared to DIN which I think Landrover and most euros use. So, they have ponies compared to LR clydesdales.

I remember getting our 3l v6 camry dyno-ed (long story) on a 20 degree day it produced 140 HP. On the same dyno on a 35 degree day my relatively stock 35 year old 1.6l elan produced 126hp. The elan was rated at the factory at 126hp and the toyota was close to 200hp. Someone is lying about their outputs!

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I remember getting our 3l v6 camry dyno-ed (long story) on a 20 degree day it produced 140 HP. On the same dyno on a 35 degree day my relatively stock 35 year old 1.6l elan produced 126hp. The elan was rated at the factory at 126hp and the toyota was close to 200hp. Someone is lying about their outputs!

The dyno would show BHP at the rear wheels but the manufacturer would state the BHP at the flywheel. I guess the losses in the transmission can be estimated by the dyno operator (or known exactly by a manufacturer).

Ron

Originally Posted by p38arover

The dyno would show BHP at the rear wheels but the manufacturer would state the BHP at the flywheel. I guess the losses in the transmission can be estimated by the dyno operator (or known exactly by a manufacturer).

Ron

They have a factor that they put in and those figures were including that factor. Having said that the total outputs are not really what is important here. What is important is that a brand new 3.0l 24valve V6 toyota only gave 14 more horsepower on a 15 degree colder day than a 25yo 1.6l stock four did with only 8 valves and carbies ... LOL

My point is that toyota horsepower are substantially smaller than euro horsepower

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Having said that the total outputs are not really what is important here. What is important is that a brand new 3.0l 24valve V6 toyota only gave 14 more horsepower on a 15 degree colder day than a 25yo 1.6l stock four did with only 8 valves and carbies ... LOL

True, I did note that and agree but I missed commenting on it.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

My point is that toyota horsepower are substantially smaller than euro horsepower

I had my 1995 Honda CBR1000F dynoed a couple of years back and it gave as much power out as it was rated for. See http://members.optusnet.com.au/thebe...ikes/bikes.htm

Ron

Originally Posted by amtravic1

I suspect that the work horse versions have lower power than the new 200 series will have. Seems like a stupid question to me as what the hell are landrover doing only fitting a 2.4 litre engine to the new defender. I know which one will sell better.
I know this is a Landrover site and have owned Rangies for more than 20 years but Toyota certainly know what they are doing with marketing. How many times have Landrover been sold etc in the last few years, there was the tie with Honda, then BMW now Ford and Ford is going broke. Cant see Toyota having any financial problems so they probably know what they are doing and what the market wants. Cant see why we need to criticise other makes just because we decide to drive Rovers.

Ian

Yes I mostly agree, read in I think 4wd monthly the new 70 series in all spec's will be avaliable as a option, lockers. The 200 LC later this year will have twin turbos 200kw. Yes they will more than likely sell even more of them now.

But I still will always drive a Landie