Defender rollover

mcrover · 11th April 2007, 01:52 PM

Just to add my opinion and nothing more,

In low range with out CDL locked and spat the CDL to pieces.

Heard the bang and stopped, went to drive again and had no drive at all as no CDL.

He would have then in a panic hit the brakes as hard as he could which slides the fender sideways and the rest is history.

Expensive lesson for such little effort no matter what happened, either not go up that hill (that even if it were steep, I would easilly drive it in my Disco, it's not even rutted that bad) or Lock the CDL (READ OPERATORS MANUAL) and drive it.

Could be like a mate of mine that thinks hes a hero by driving as much as he can in 2 wheel drive in his lux.

Problem is that when he gets stuck he has to get out and dig out his hubs to lock them in, I find it quite funny on occasion.

**dmdigital** · 11th April 2007, 04:23 PM

Don't know if anyone has read the reply's the person who posted this video has put on their youtube site regarding comments. (WARNING: Coarse, abusive language)

What can I say? They are somewhat obsessed with the misconception that cars made in the United Kingdom are useless... to put it in polite terms

What is also interesting is this person claims to be an Outback Challenge competitor so I'm guessing they'll be known in the 4WD community.

**cal415** · 11th April 2007, 08:22 PM

Watching the video again, i would have thought you would be able to notice the brake lights come on??

And i agree no cdl - the drivers rear wheel is at near full flex i.e less weight on the wheel, i would expect that to be spining flat out if the CDL was locked but it only seems to bite in breifly then you hear the engine reving but seems to have no drive to the rear end,

**Grizzly_Adams** · 12th April 2007, 05:12 AM

I expect the appearance of no drive to the wheels would be the effect that traction control was having...

**DarrenR** · 12th April 2007, 04:10 PM

Tried 15 times?? I'm not that much of a stickler myself and would have given up on the 3rd, maybe forth attempt (fifth if I've had a beer or 2).
So what was that hill attempt worth $50 - $60k ?? Wow must have been an awesome hill with a pot of gold at the top, sheesh really, is any hill worth that much to conquer ???

Nobody asked if he had off road insurance, myself I've never bothered, but I've also never rolled an expensive Land Rover like that either.
Which prompts me to ask, who does have off road insurance, who with and what's it worth a year?

I'm not an argumentative type of person

so I didn't comment, but this did crack me up...

"Why are all land rover people know it all dick heads."
Yes yes, why is this so ???? hrmmm ???? I mean the "know it all" part

Lets hope he went out and bought a Toyota or a Nissan, as the old holden/ford joke went..
Why did they build toyota/nissan? ... To keep the dickheads out of Land Rovers .... guess one slipped past

Best regards
DarrenR

**CraigE** · 12th April 2007, 06:26 PM

He may be an Outback Challenge competitor, not necceserally a good one. Anyone can enter.
My problem is his original claim that the ecu failed causing a brake failure is the biggest load of nonsense around. Yes accidents do happen, Yes people do not react quick enough, Yes machinery does break or fail.
The ecu failing and causing lack of brakes. No, definately not. ABS may be lost but the vaccum will still enable braking even if the car stalls. Just another moron looking for something to blame. Seems the brakes did work halfway down the hill though. If he is stupid enough to post a video like that without a decent explanation, he deserves all the flack he cops. Obviously needs to learn a bit about how cars and systems work.

**Debacle** · 12th April 2007, 06:40 PM

I think we have softened him up a bit. He is coming around to the fact that his mate is a moron. He is now raving on about having plasma rope fail while winching up vertical rock faces and being able to drive away after.

What a Hero.

**scrambler** · 12th April 2007, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by jbarracl

I think we have softened him up a bit. He is coming around to the fact that his mate is a moron. He is now raving on about having plasma rope fail while winching up vertical rock faces and being able to drive away after.

What a Hero.

Mate, he's soft enough up top to begin with.

When he finally describes what actually happened, I do wonder if it's slipped out of gear. But what would I know after all the nonsense he's talked? How could anyone know?

Apparently being a "keyboard warrier" is a bad thing, but posting a video on YouTube makes you a legend. ECU failure is the only possible explanation, even though he doesn't know what it controls. Loss of vacuum will eliminate braking, but he has (apparently) a totally rebuilt Corolla so ought to know something about how hydraulic brakes work! I don't even know what "drift" is (yeah, yeah, but can you do it in a Stage 1? I don't think so!), but it seems anyone with a turbo-charged 4-potter or a V8 ute can do it, so hard can it really be? It clearly doesn't take a genius, if he's anything to go by.

Just who is on crack, I wonder?

**spudboy** · 12th April 2007, 08:11 PM

I was wondering if maybe after 15 goes the brake fluid had boiled from the ETC being overused?

I've had a brown undies experience with the brake pedal straight to the floor, but it was after 8 hard laps at Mallala racetrack, and I don't see how he could get the brakes that hot just trying the hill again and again. It would all be done at fairly low speed.

We'll probably never know the real story.

**abaddonxi** · 12th April 2007, 08:21 PM

If he went up the hill fifteen times he must've come down it a similar number of times too.

You'd think after that much practice going down the hill backwards he'd have it down pat.

Maybe it was a mechanical failure of some kind.

Cheers
Simon.

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