WA - Collecting Firewood?

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Originally Posted by Ken

Im not trying to dis you its just that there are many more cars on the road than there is wood heaters and before you say anything YES Australia has some of the least refined fuels in the world even our 98RON is inferior compared to Japans 105RON burns much cleaner it doesnt matter what is said by anyone really because unless governments ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING about the emission problems this world faces nothing will change and we all no how greedy the fat cats of this world are DONT WE

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Ken, that is a given fact, more cars than woodheaters, but 1 woodheater out-pollutes (if that's a word) by about 10,000 to 1 and that's if it is operated correctly, Governments are spending your Tax dollar trying to educate woodheater owners to use their heaters correctly or offering subsidys (your money again) to get rid of their woodheaters. In Perth a couple of years back 2003 I think, the State Govt. spent millions to educate woodheater owners to reduce emissions over a 12 month period. The result was a MINUS 1% improvement, so your Tax dollars went into increasing emissions. The National Heritage Advisory council did a snap audit on woodheaters on general sale in Australia and found 60% did not meet emissions standards, imagine if the car manufacturers were caught out like that, they would be sent broke by the fines, but not the Woodheater industry. The cost to the Taxpayer in Medical costs from the health effects of woodheater emissions is on average $2200/ woodheater, which adds up to $billions$, so if you think your paying through the nose for petrol, it's nothing compared to the cost of woodheater use. Thats not counting the environmental cost. There is no Valid reason for the Domestic Wood Heater to exist in this Day and Age, NZ has already a plan to phase out all wood and coal burning domestic heaters over a 10 year period, it cant happen here soon enough, Regards Frank.

Well Im an environmental THUG.
Got a brand new woodheater last year,during winter it goes 24/7 and the house is lovely and warm,a tad too hot sometimes,the older one now lives in the shed,that goes all weekend during winter.
I also cut/sell firewood to add to my THUGness.
I also am about to buy a 4.6 Rangie,because my TD5 Disco dont burn my fair share of the oil thats left in the world.
Gees Im a bad person.
Andrew

Shame on you Andy

;) :D :p :D

Bad boy Andy lol.

I know were talking about wood heaters but if were also talking pollution, I want to know how the state gov gets away with massive burnoffs that fill gullys with smoke (anyone in the FTG or Boronia area would be able to tesstify to that as I used to live there and Mt Evelyn where it happens as well) and then makes it near impossible to clear away dangerous or fallen trees from your boundry and threaten to fine you if you get the victor out and cut yourself a fire break in the Nat park over your back fence because they wont.

They get away with it for the for months on end and then make out like woodheaters are the biggest problem around.

Im neither green or redneck, I love the bush but I dont think man can control it the way they think they can I think they need the help of indiginous labour (roo's, wombats etc) as well as a bit of nonindiginous (cattle and sheep) but I have been wrong in the past but only time will tell.

By the way as I stated before, I have no wood heater in this house but my neibour does and I supply his wood even knowing that if we get a westerly blowing ithe smoke comes straight into our lounge room and sets off the fire alarm but I think it's his right and really I dont care.

I will add.
We have 2 airconditioners in our house,we didnt run either during the summer just gone.
Must have racked up some greenhouse credits there.
Spending tommorow cutting firewood,got 2 orders to fill.
Andrew

I have a wood heater to go if anybody wants it....I have replaced it with a huge Inverter,,as I'm a lazy barstard on the weekend and cant be bothered chopping wood.....unlike my Thuggy bro in Williams:D:D

So Dirty Dawg whats the chances of you poppin in for a cuppa next weekend out at Dwellingup we are headin out there to get some wood

Hey Andy did you get ya permit sorted

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Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Well Im an environmental THUG.
Got a brand new woodheater last year,during winter it goes 24/7 and the house is lovely and warm,a tad too hot sometimes,the older one now lives in the shed,that goes all weekend during winter.
I also cut/sell firewood to add to my THUGness.
I also am about to buy a 4.6 Rangie,because my TD5 Disco dont burn my fair share of the oil thats left in the world.
Gees Im a bad person.
Andrew

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Andrew, seems the WA epa bloke was right when he said, after the WA govt. had just spent millions of taxpayers money trying to educate woodheater owners not to pollute, that "You can't educate Idiots", Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by mcrover

Bad boy Andy lol.

I know were talking about wood heaters but if were also talking pollution, I want to know how the state gov gets away with massive burnoffs that fill gullys with smoke (anyone in the FTG or Boronia area would be able to tesstify to that as I used to live there and Mt Evelyn where it happens as well) and then makes it near impossible to clear away dangerous or fallen trees from your boundry and threaten to fine you if you get the victor out and cut yourself a fire break in the Nat park over your back fence because they wont.

They get away with it for the for months on end and then make out like woodheaters are the biggest problem around.

Im neither green or redneck, I love the bush but I dont think man can control it the way they think they can I think they need the help of indiginous labour (roo's, wombats etc) as well as a bit of nonindiginous (cattle and sheep) but I have been wrong in the past but only time will tell.

By the way as I stated before, I have no wood heater in this house but my neibour does and I supply his wood even knowing that if we get a westerly blowing ithe smoke comes straight into our lounge room and sets off the fire alarm but I think it's his right and really I dont care.

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mcrover, down here we get the woodheater season for 6 to 8 months of the year, then the npws, state forests and the Bush Fire Brigade start burning off from now till about mid spring, a few years back the roads (Princes Highway) was closed all day because the smoke from these ridiculous burnoffs and fog (smog) was so thick that cars and trucks were running off the road, one silly b@$tard abandoned his car in the middle of the highway when he panicked cause he couldn't see, 1/2 a dozen vehicles piled into this car, a woman got out of her car and was looking at the damage to the front of her car when a semi trailer slammed into the back of her car, crushing and killing her. The burnoff mentality is unbelievable down here, they say it is to save lives during the bushfire season, not one person has died from bushfires in this area in 150 years, burnoffs have only been practised for about 40 of the 150 years, but this area of Australia has the highest incidence of Lung Cancer, Emphysemia, Asthma in Australia and also the lowest recovery rate of Cancer patients in Australia. My friend who lives 2 doors down and has been living here for about 12 years has just been diagnosed with Mouth and Throat Cancer, (non-smoker, except for woodsmoke), I also have cancer, so you can see why I rant against people like LandyAndy who think it is their God given right to pollute the air, effect other peoples health and then make light of it, we all have the right to breathe unpolluted air, that's why we moved to the bush, but I can tell you the air is cleaner in Sydney than it is down here for 8 months of the year, anyhow, Regards Frank.

Bushfires are going to occur, whether by natural ignition such as lightning strikes, arson or other inadvertent acts of man. Controlled burns reduce the amount of fuel available.