CSR Permit System for 2007

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Originally Posted by crump

my query is, as their are obviously some more knowledgable people here on the subject then moi, if Truganinni was the last Tasmanian Aboriginal, how come there are Native Title claims in Tassie?

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Last "full blood," crump. The current definition of Aboriginality is that you have SOME ancestry, own up to it and be recognised by the local Aboriginal community as Aboriginal. If your great-great-great-grandparent was Aboriginal and everyone else from then on was Irish, you could still identify as Aboriginal. Or Irish, depending if it was St Pattie's day or not.

In places like Tassie, though, claims rarely get further than the first bit of paperwork, because continuing ties to the land need to be proved. Mostly this means verified Dreaming stories which tie to particular places, continuing use of the land for hunting, ceremonies, etc. It's why places where people DO live more traditional lifestyles get "locked up" and Tassie will never be, nor most of Victoria or most places East of the Great Divide for the matter.

'Tis the way of he world.

Anthropologically speaking, NA Indians are very closely related to the Japanese. It seems the Japanese ancestors migrated over the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska when the climate was warmer. They virtually anihilated the locals and set up shop.

Europe has a long history of nomadic tribes wiping out the neighbours; and you only have to read the Old Testament in the Bible to get an idea of what the early Israelites did to other tribes they came across! It's also believed by some that the 'Leprechauns' were actually a Pict related people who were wiped out by the Celts.

It would be good to think that everyone would be able to get along, but unfortunately, I think it's a long way off.

The way I look at it is; if a place is closed off because of degradation, legitimate religious/spiritual issues or genuine conservation (eg dieback), then fine. I would probably put the CSR into this category, with the exception that the actions of a few travellers have perhaps caused an 'over-the-top' knee-jerk reaction. (which will probably work itself out in the long run)

What I object to is places being closed off because of misinformed, self-righteous morons.

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Originally Posted by scrambler

Last "full blood," crump. The current definition of Aboriginality is that you have SOME ancestry, own up to it and be recognised by the local Aboriginal community as Aboriginal. If your great-great-great-grandparent was Aboriginal and everyone else from then on was Irish, you could still identify as Aboriginal. Or Irish, depending if it was St Pattie's day or not.

In places like Tassie, though, claims rarely get further than the first bit of paperwork, because continuing ties to the land need to be proved. Mostly this means verified Dreaming stories which tie to particular places, continuing use of the land for hunting, ceremonies, etc. It's why places where people DO live more traditional lifestyles get "locked up" and Tassie will never be, nor most of Victoria or most places East of the Great Divide for the matter.

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thanks, so theoretically as I once attended an induction ceremony to the (cant remember the name) tribe that once inhabited the Brisbane area, I fit the criteria, I am Indigenous.So now I can go wherever I want, last time I pay $80 to cross the Jardine.:D

My main point is it should be equitable access for all, not just a minority. If there are people that do wrong then penalise them, not every one else. Even around here there are heaps of Morons that leave rubbish everywhere and degrade the land and environment. Our last camping trip we found that much rubbish including a damn big shelter dumped. If we wnat to get technical about degradation go and have a close look at some of these remote communities and sonme of the rubbish and damage done to them. Then look at the Commodores and Falcons that have done far more damage than any 4x4 could possibly do driven over the same area.

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Originally Posted by scrambler

My grandfather once owned a banana farm on a hill overlooking a sleepy little town called Noosa Heads...

Sorry, Cap'n. If your ancestors sold it, they sold it.

There are virtually NO areas claimable in SEQ under Native Title. That's because the land has all been owned by someone, at some time, even if the Government bought it back later. Once the Government has appropriated a right or use of the land, that use is no longer claimable. And on top of that the traditional owners have to prove that the uses they are claiming are what they have always done, right down to the present.

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My Grandfather, actually owned most of the land around a sleepy little town called Noosa, as well the family owned for eons past vast tracts of land in Scotland including fortified Castles etc, all taken by the English Pariliment, just because of a minor disagreement settled at Bannockburn, where we demonstrated our resolve to be independent. Me thinks my Land Claim to the British Parliment would result in a very early morning visit from gentlemen wearing black.

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Originally Posted by Redback

So the Irish, Indians, Arabs, Chinese and any other country that England invaded weren't allowed to fight to get their land back:confused:

Baz.

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Redback.......I think you need to lower your Southern Cross.

I can assure you that you did not have to have one poofteenth of aboriginal descent to be paid Abstudy. you could be pure white, yellow or red. All you needed to show was that you were "accepted by the community". One prominent Brisbane aboriginal activist woman ( I won't call her a lady as she is far from) who is always to the forefront in demonstrations, spitting at police and pushing the Parliament House gates over, wearing the "colours' and flying the 'banner" at her (public housing) home is by ancestry 50% Latvian, 25% Irish, 12 1/2% English. The remaining 12 1/2% is doubtful but not all aboriginal. Michael M******l, the well known Tasmanian aboriginal activist has blue eyes and blonde hair. His appearance is more Scandinavian than mine. Lot of Norwegian sealer GJ's in your family tree, Michael. My reckoning is that if you are 50% or more aboriginal then you can call your self one. If you are less then you are a mixed race Australian of part aboriginal ancestry. I have one Irish great grand parent. I dont wear green and dance jigs on St. Patricks Day. I actually despise the Irish for the religious bigots they are (Well, won't that start a thread).

Well one of my ancestors went on a holiday to England in c.970AD.

Did a bit of killing, raping, pillaging etc.. Then decided to settle down!

Much later on my great great great grandfather amassed a lot of wealthy goods! Problem was they didn't actually belong to him, so they sent him out here!

Geez, one of my great Aunty's was 100% aboriginal and was a member of the SA parliament. Does this mean I can claim Olympic Dam as a sacred site???
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Originally Posted by Jamo

'Tis the way of he world.

What I object to is places being closed off because of misinformed, self-righteous morons.

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i'm with you jamo..

and there is getting to be too many of them inhabiting the halls of power....