An interesting disscusion on ExplorOz

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Citroen D series produced from 1955 to 1975 had the front track about four inches wider than the back - but it was designed that way from scratch - the whole body tapered from the front doors back. Probably still has the lowest drag coefficient of any mass produced four door car. But the tapering sides makes backing, particularly in narrow drives, very interesting!

John

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Try putting 1 on a hoist, Hydraulic suspention that drops when you switch the car off and so you have to have someone put the arms in and then turn it off and try to squeeze out of the 2" of door that you can open as you cant roll it back and forth as its already on the feet.

We used to have 2 of them come in to one of the tyre joints I worked at and we would all hide when they showed up.

As far as the engines issue goes, I dont really care but I would quite happilly try to get Nissan to option one of their new pootrols with everything minus the engine and drop in a 6.7 comon rail duramax, economy, heap and heaps of power I wouldnt even bother with their 4.2 Diesel guzzler, 4.8 Petrol Guzzler or 3 Litre 4cyl unreliable boat anchor.

The thing is that noworries a Chipped TD5 puts out as much power as Toymotors TDv8 but then how much does a 70 series way in comparison to a Defender.

The other thing I was amazed at was that the Pathy and the Pretendo had a higher legal towing capacity than the Pootrol ro cruiser in the newer models.

I dont get it, smaller bodies and less weight but I think the pathy was 450 kg more from memory.

I think they need to have a look at what the people who use them for work and play need rather than the people who just need to drog the kids around.

Yes a few FWD cars have a wider front track, but not a 4WD. It would be very interesting in the ruts.

Hmmmm...................comparing a 1955 frog wagon with a 2007 land cruiser.......................:clap2:

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Originally Posted by jimbo110

Have any of you guys followed one of the new V8 cruisers down the road? The front track (axle width) is 4" wider than the rear (95mm). From behind the front wheels are out wider than the rear, it looks like it's crabbing down the road. Who in their right mind would increase the front track and not the rear?:eek: Looks to have been developed very much on the cheap, but toyota sheep, sorry, buyers, will still buy the thing in their thousands because of the badge on the grill.

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any real racecar (i.e. one without a roof or doors) has the front track considerably wider than the rear.
Much improved steering/front grip/handling.

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Originally Posted by rick130

any real racecar (i.e. one without a roof or doors) has the front track considerably wider than the rear.
Much improved steering/front grip/handling.

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Originally Posted by jimbo110

Yes a few FWD cars have a wider front track, but not a 4WD. It would be very interesting in the ruts.

Hmmmm...................comparing a 1955 frog wagon with a 2007 land cruiser.......................:clap2:

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The DS actually performs very well offroad - ground clearance up to 15", excellent ride, very heavy bias of weight on the driving wheels, very good articulation, very low unsprung weight and excellent springing and damping mean good traction even on rough surfaces - BUT close mudguards and mudflaps give all sorts of problems, especially when you pick up sticks etc, very long wheelbase is a liability on winding tracks ; and as you predict, the different tracks make it very interesting on rutted roads, especially when travelling fast - the back wheels tend to swap ruts back and forth, very disconcerting to passengers.

John

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Originally Posted by mcrover

The thing is that noworries a Chipped TD5 puts out as much power as Toymotors TDv8 but then how much does a 70 series way in comparison to a Defender.

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I don't really see the point of comparing a standard TDV8 with a chipped TD5. Surely if any comparisons are to be made, it should be a standard TD5 and a standard TDV8, or a chipped TD5 and a similarly chipped TDV8.

Hmmm...I wonder what you could expect from a nicely chipped and charge-cooled TDV8?:twisted:


Paul:)

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Originally Posted by Defender200Tdi

Hmmm...I wonder what you could expect from a nicely chipped and charge-cooled TDV8?:twisted:


Paul:)

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Broken gearbox and diffs probably! :D

Doesn't anyone else find it curious that Toyota are going to twin turbo the engine for the new Landcruiser, just to try and get halfway decent torque/horsepower figures from an already large engine?

I believe that one of the key factors in Toyota gaining a reputation for reliability over the years has been that pound for pound the engines have always been gutless. It's harder to break a gutless engine than a high performance engine.

The new TDV8 is simply a case of Toyota reluctantly being dragged into the 21st century by the Euro 4 emission standards, otherwise they wouldn't have changed anything.

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Originally Posted by Frenchie

Broken gearbox and diffs probably! :D

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So, much like a Land Rover then. :p

Paul:D

A Citroen DS very nearly won the first London-Sydney marathon in 1968, until it was 'mysteriously' wiped out at Nowra, just a few hours from the finish line, in Sydney....

The old mans CXs would leave a rear wheel high and dry (overnight) on his uneven driveway:D:D:D. and if you park one running, and take your hands off the steering wheel, the wheel will wind itself back to centre, all by itself...

Been stuck in serious traffic a few times in the CX, the others around were amazed to see this car rise real high, then drop to the deck, then rise real high again, and drop to the deck etc etc etc.

could do this all day in traffic:D:D:D:D:D:D

hey, mcrover, that's how to change a tyre on a citroen, get the car to lift to max, shove a block underneath, then lower the car, wheels retract.... i seem to recall the 'jack' on a citroen is nothing more than a block or an axle type support thingy....

GQ