Thread: Nation of suck ups.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

we sure wouldn't be in Iraq if the 2 term rule wasn't there.

And if we want to talk about freeing the masses - why isn't the US military in Zimbabwe and Palestine?

Hi, been following this thread with interest and only just decided to add my two bobs worth.

Before I get razzed on it's fair to say that I am conservative leaning, and being a Soldier I am also pro interventionist.

Lotz-A-Landies,
Why would we not be in Iraq? It is a world problem, not just Americas. Yes I am biased I guess, having recently returned from there, but it is a seriously fugged up country! The strife was inevitable and they are killing themselves as is their time immemorial tradition, the coalition isn't.

Not sure why we aren't in Zim, but why we are not intervening in Palestine is simple....there is no such country. Many people flag the UN as needing to step up in many areas, well they did in the middle of last century by creating Israel and in the process consigning Palestine to history. For any country to advocate the return of Palestine is in disagreeance with the UN.
No member nation would do that.

On a side note for discussion, I am intrigued by the notion of Arabs. Where are they from? Arabia? Again, the academically accepted view is that you are an Arab if your lingua franca is Arabic. Therefore it is very possible (see Israel) for a blonde haired blue eyed 6' tall man born in Iceland of Icelandic parents to be classified as an Arab. Again, no such nationality exists.

To finish my rant, for that is what it is, we have a saying in the Military.....

Nobody likes Americans, but they have to be on someones side. Best they be on ours for it is the Devil we know.

Ralph

That's really funny what you say,, because what you have said about protesters is exactly what I think about the World Bleaders.

"IF YOU HAVE TO GATHER IN SYDNEY UNDER THE MEDIA SPOTLIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING IT CAN'T BE WORTH SAYING"
You say a week to get important crap sorted out.. these bludgers get elected on PR crap spend three years wofling about how useless the other side are and then just out of the next election they put in place a small portion of what they promised last election and then start cage rattling about the next election.
There isn't a farts chance in hell of these wallys sorting anything out in a week

For god sakes,,, with the modern technologies we have ,, if they where serious about life threatening security issues(and clever economic policies) they could hold their meeting over the fanciest big screen web conference call from their own bloody bedrooms. OR as others have said they could simply utilize an island or remote area, if they are desperate for face to face.

Its another tax payer funded feel good publicity stunt.!

And the protesters,,,,,, give me a break will you... we have slaughtered 100's and thousand's (UN figures) of mothers and children over the last fifteen years in Iraq alone,,, so people have the freedom to protest. (as long as they are peaceful)

The pollies have spent over a billion dollars on the APECthetic meeting to get a point across, so good on the protesters for using the billion dollar spotlight to make their point.

The last thing I want is for Australians to become a country of flag kissin mindless sheep

Originally Posted by JamesH

Since when is hosting leaders from other nations sucking up? It's easy for me to say over here Perth but some people need to get over themselves. It's for a week and they are important decision makers discussing important topics.

There would not be the need for the fence or half the security if the protesters weren't such idiots. Resistance, Socialist Alliance with nothing better in their heads than a desire to smash the windows of McDonalds plus a few menopausal old biddies whining about whales and rock art who wouldn't have a clue what's going on. Give me a break. Water cannon is too good for them in time of drought.

If you have to say it in the main street of Sydney with a giant Bush puppet, then it's not worth saying. Certainly not worth listening to.

If you find yourself wanting to walk down the street with a dreadlocked feral smelling of patchouli and BO and a face like they fell into a tackle box then it's time to hop in your Landie and go out into the countyside for a camp and some serious solitary introspection.

Originally Posted by duff

That's really funny what you say,, because what you have said about protesters is exactly what I think about the World Bleaders.

"IF YOU HAVE TO GATHER IN SYDNEY UNDER THE MEDIA SPOTLIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING IT CAN'T BE WORTH SAYING"
You say a week to get important crap sorted out.. these bludgers get elected on PR crap spend three years wofling about how useless the other side are and then just out of the next election they put in place a small portion of what they promised last election and then start cage rattling about the next election.
There isn't a farts chance in hell of these wallys sorting anything out in a week

For god sakes,,, with the modern technologies we have ,, if they where serious about life threatening security issues(and clever economic policies) they could hold their meeting over the fanciest big screen web conference call from their own bloody bedrooms. OR as others have said they could simply utilize an island or remote area, if they are desperate for face to face.

Its another tax payer funded feel good publicity stunt.!

And the protesters,,,,,, give me a break will you... we have slaughtered 100's and thousand's (UN figures) of mothers and children over the last fifteen years in Iraq alone,,, so people have the freedom to protest. (as long as they are peaceful)

The pollies have spent over a billion dollars on the APECthetic meeting to get a point across, so good on the protesters for using the billion dollar spotlight to make their point.

The last thing I want is for Australians to become a country of flag kissin mindless sheep

Hear Hear!

You gotta admit even though we follow the yanks around in there various little wars they create to keep the armaments factories in biz we as a small country have done quiet well, we havent lost very many diggers compared to the yanks and poms, look at East timor, we lost 2, one got skittled by a forklift, the other shot himself while cleaning his gun in the back of a APC, were still there all these years later, as for Afghanistan and Iraq again no big mobs of coffins coming home to parents, we are doing ok, if we are gonna suck up to somebody i would prefer we kiss the Yankees toes then the Chinese, if we get poked by some peed off country one day who we gonna call? wont be ghost busters thats for sure, yes the yanks run around carrying on thinking they are the policemen of the world but somebodys gotta do it, I certianly can feel for all the Sydney siders who are put out by the preparations to keep the Bush man safe, they could just as easily had the meeting in a submarine 2000 feet under water, with a slow leak of course!, the burden to the tax payer will be enormous and does ol Bushy crack out the cheque and say What do we owe ya?

Below is part of the transcript tonight on 60 minutes

PETER HARVEY: While all of this street theatre was being played out, there was just as much drama down at the Opera House where world leaders were playing out the final act in the biggest economic show that's ever rolled into Sydney. Remember, APEC was an Australian idea, conceived back in 1989 by Bob Hawke. You're the father of the child - what's it grown into?
BOB HAWKE: Well, it's a pretty lusty 18-year-old now ...
PETER HARVEY: Now, nearing 80, the former PM keeps a watchful eye on his brainchild. You've got the leaders of Russia, China, the United States. I mean, they wouldn't bother coming here unless it was fair-dinkum, would they?
BOB HAWKE: No, you're right. The Putins and the Bushes of this world and the Hu Jintaos don't come unless they see significance in the opportunities provided by such a meeting.
PETER HARVEY: Do you think we appreciate it as much as we should? BOB HAWKE: Perhaps not. To have these leaders here, talking with our leaders, talking with one another, this doesn't come easily and it's something we should be proud of.

Originally Posted by Ralph1Malph

Why would we not be in Iraq? It is a world problem, not just Americas. Yes I am biased I guess, having recently returned from there, but it is a seriously fugged up country!
Ralph

It wasn't a fugged up country until America decided to invade on either a trumped up excuse or wrong intelligence. It may have had a complete asshole as a dictator, but there are no shortages of these around the world. I don't see the ones without oil fields being put in their place

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

It wasn't a fugged up country until America decided to invade on either a trumped up excuse or wrong intelligence. It may have had a complete asshole as a dictator, but there are no shortages of these around the world. I don't see the ones without oil fields being put in their place

Correct, however my father fought the Japs in the second world war and he always use to say the same thing " if it had not been for America we would have been stuffed today". Before we blame America for every thing that goes wrong in the world we should remenber this.

And no I am not American.

Once upon a time I had high hopes and involved myself
in world affairs but I grew out of it !
These days, if the stupids around the world want to slaughter each other, so be it.
The reason they give for doing it, is usually not the line we are fed.
Pity about the poor innocents caught up in it all but I
dont concern myself about it anymore . I'm okay jack.
Take the gun happy Yank society. They have the God given right to bear arms. Good on them. They kill each other in large numbers because they can.
I say to myself : "Self, do I care ?" Answer is, no I dont, thats another one or more off the street.
God bless America, the home of the brave and free.
Do I care if the Mugslims are blowing each other
up over there ? No I dont. If they did it here that would be different, I'd kill em.
If some of the Palestinians weren't so bloody stupid
they would realise they are playing a mug's game.
If they want their own State, well then, stop blaming the Jews and the Americans and become peaceful
and show that they want to be peaceful good neighbours. If they do that we will all applaud and
the Yanks will pour in lots of money and aid to help
them become a Democracy, etc. Dont need the United
Nations or anyone else to achieve that.
Then when they have a state of Palistine and become
a Nation they can slowly build up a sizable defense force with all of the modern munitions ( with America's
help because they will be arming themselves to keep America safe in the fight for Democracy ).
Then when they do that, they can attack the Jews or anyone else to their hearts content on equal terms
and not feel inferior and downtrodden, eh.
I really dont give a crap about it all anymore.
I'll be right because I put a pess off sign on me gate.
If humanity is wiped out, that's okay with me.
If the planet is given back to the animals and wildlife thats fine with me.
Cheers, I think.

PS: IF ya drive a Landrover, ignore the pess off sign !