Thread: My Favourite Australian Statesman

Well some diverse and predictable comments...
But remember the advances we have made
year 2007 and we have to send a Federal Task force North to stop them committing sexual attrocities on their own children
Unlike the Africans , Aboriginal genes do not throw back..So in time they will no longer exist...Sad very Sad that the pages of history will not shine with they cultural greatness of "Dreamtime" or "Rock art" or even great bush skils.. they will be remembered by the , Disease, Alchol ,sexual abuse and crime statistics..
All of the Englishes fault for colonizing a barren land that wasnt Barren at all..bit like giving the Israeli's a new country when it was already an occupied country (1945 Palestine)
For 40000yrs lived like caveman with little or no technological advancement...how the hell are they supposed to integrate in 200yrs.
So I feel sorry for them in that way...But when I read the news that an Aboriginal youths have beaten up a pensioner in their own home, or sexual penetrated a 4yr old girl or read the crime statistics Less than 1% of the population commit 66% of crime and are 81% of the prison population..I do not feel the Love people.
But as Mick Jagger sings..."Time is on my side, Yes it is" And if a family moved next door to you would you still be so politically correct.
This is my own opinion

Originally Posted by Ralph1Malph

Hi guys,
This thread is getting a bit heavy!
I always try to view history relative to the era or circumstance it occurred, not the era or circumstance we are currently in. This takes the subjectiveness and politics out of it. Remember, eating raw meat from a still breathing beast is considered poor form today but par for the course in caveman times. Incarceration was frowned upon in Rome and Greece and other ancient cultures as it denied the perp the dignity of proving himself either by 'trial by fire' or other methods. Today, incarceration is king, physical punishment 'barbaric'. Same with this Bunbury chap. At the time it was acceptable....but not now. That is where the laughter or brevity stems from, not the act itself, but the fact it could occur as the norm just leaves you wondering.
Just to rant a bit more, I find it amusing that so many folk prefer not to discuss historial or current world events because they find them disgusting or outrageous. Sure, to them and in todays time frame they have that view and that is fine. My 85 yo Grandma still passionately believes children should be smacked when naughty. Is she so wrong? Not in her eyes as was the culture back then.
OK, took a breath, back on topic, I do not find the hunting of Aboriginals funny, but I find it amusing that the history of Oz contains such 'closet skeletons'....who'd have thought!

Ralph (ranting)

the intersting thing was that in Queensland at least, you could get a licence to do this well into the 1900s which was authorised by the Queen.

Plenty of historians have detailed killing of, and cruelty towards aboriginals in our early settlement days ( and even much, much, later). This seemed to be the way of the world then. The colonising nations regarded the native inhabitants of whatever land to be ignorant savages to be dominated, exterminated, converted to Christianity or Islam or whateverother religion held the colonisers attention. One Victorian era do-gooder criticised the Danes for their treatment of slaves in their Caribbean possessions. The Danes took umbrage as they only had the one justice system which applied equally to all their subjects. Their own lower orders were treated as poorly as the slaves!

My grandmother told me of an incident she witnessed in Winton about 1925. The police sergeant had arrived in town from a remote outpost on the Territory border, bringing with him three aboriginals, two women and a man, as "servants". He used to chain them to a log on the woodheap as punishment. One day she saw him flogging a chained-up gin with a stirrup iron. Now grandmother never mentioned the end of the story. Many years later an old bushman who witnessed the incident told me that my grandmother would not stand for that and grabbed an iron bar and belted the copper with it to stop the beating of the gin. Grandother being of a prominent and inflential family, the copper was not game to retaliate in any manner. The old narrator described the copper as "a drunken pig-ignorant Irishman".

Most western people would not have taken any notice of an incident like this, being between two of the then three lowest levels of bush society, Irish, Chinese and aboriginals.

Originally Posted by DirtyDawg

Well some diverse and predictable comments...
But remember the advances we have made
year 2007 and we have to send a Federal Task force North to stop them committing sexual attrocities on their own children
Unlike the Africans , Aboriginal genes do not throw back..So in time they will no longer exist...Sad very Sad that the pages of history will not shine with they cultural greatness of "Dreamtime" or "Rock art" or even great bush skils.. they will be remembered by the , Disease, Alchol ,sexual abuse and crime statistics..
All of the Englishes fault for colonizing a barren land that wasnt Barren at all..bit like giving the Israeli's a new country when it was already an occupied country (1945 Palestine)
For 40000yrs lived like caveman with little or no technological advancement...how the hell are they supposed to integrate in 200yrs.
So I feel sorry for them in that way...But when I read the news that an Aboriginal youths have beaten up a pensioner in their own home, or sexual penetrated a 4yr old girl or read the crime statistics Less than 1% of the population commit 66% of crime and are 81% of the prison population..I do not feel the Love people.
But as Mick Jagger sings..."Time is on my side, Yes it is" And if a family moved next door to you would you still be so politically correct.
This is my own opinion and for you people that live in a part of Australia without them, walk a mile in the shoes of us that do.
for those I have upset with my opinion..PM me your address for the box of tissues

1% of the population, that meens that 99% of the population are respected and law abiding citizens, how many cultures can claim these figures, i'm guessing not many.

If whoever moved in next door it wouldn't bother me, unless they were disrespectful, but i wouldn't judge them just because of there background, just because someone is Anglo/Irish doesn't automaticly make them good people

Tissues, please give me a break

Originally Posted by DirtyDawg

... we have to send a Federal Task force North to stop them committing sexual attrocities on their own children....... they will be remembered by the , Disease, Alchol ,sexual abuse and crime statistics..
.......... when I read the news that an Aboriginal youths have beaten up a pensioner in their own home, or sexual penetrated a 4yr old girl or read the crime statistics ................ And if a family moved next door to you would you still be so politically correct.
This is my own opinion and for you people that live in a part of Australia without them, walk a mile in the shoes of us that do.....

1. How about a special task force to deal with the same crimes in low socio-economic enclaves of 3rd or 4th generation welfare dependent whites? Yes they surely exist - even next door.
2. White fella are also commiting same crimes as beating up pensioners or raping children.
3. This is not a question of political correctness - rather getting to the truth in whatever context. And yes I have to deal with white neighbours doing the same thing ..... so your self styled righteousness about walking in shoes is just blowing off some hot air.


Back to your original post - what makes it funny for the history major student? Do you condone the actions of those who actually made it their sport to shoot aborigines on a Sunday afternoon, having been gto church in the morning?

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

The old narrator described the copper as "a drunken pig-ignorant Irishman".

Most western people would not have taken any notice of an incident like this, being between two of the then three lowest levels of bush society, Irish, Chinese and aboriginals.

Ruddy heck, now you're going to upset FenianEel!

Ron

Originally Posted by DirtyDawg

For 40000yrs lived like caveman with little or no technological advancement...how the hell are they supposed to integrate in 200yrs.

I hear that trotted out regularly. It doesn't make sense to me. That's implying that it's in their genes and that they don't have the intelligence to move forward - something I refute, they are an intelligent people.

Further, I wonder what percentage of aboriginals are full-blood? In the major cities and larger urban areas, they are probably more white than black.

Ron

Originally Posted by p38arover

Ruddy heck, now you're going to upset FenianEel!

Ron

Well, on a par with the rest of his usual negative, degrogatory posts, regardless of subject.
I think a few more crass generalisations and racial stereotypes and offensive terms, could've been made in that post if the writer had more time actually, or could spell properly.