boat advice opinions...

5teve, if neither of these boats (hulls) really 'do it' for you, you could go another way...

...locate a boat (hull) with a tired engine, trade-in said engine on a new 4 stroker, like a Honda...

that way, you'll get a warranty on the motor along with (hopefully) reliability and good economy...

..if you intend to travel in fresh water areas, some places require 'low emission' motors, E.G. 2 stroke motors are banned in many (inland) places in NSW...

CraigE is entirely right, the newer the motor, the better it will be for you and your crew.

...nothing turns off the family quicker than a boat with a dodgy donk....

(but I do like your Stacer/Tohatsu description, dunny notwithstanding:D).

...my dear old BM-16, a glass over timber hull, is a fabulous thing, even the 1978 build Merc 85 is a good donk and easily pulls skiers and tubies, but it smells, is noisy and drinks...

...also, if you're going offshore, you're required to carry lots of extra safety gear (for good reason) and an auxiliary motor would be a good idea...

cheers, GQ

Just an explanation of what BOAT stands for
Bring Out Another Thousand ($ that is)

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Just an explanation of what BOAT stands for
Bring Out Another Thousand ($ that is)

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:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Been there:eek::twisted:;):D

GQ

If you go for a 4 stroke new motor be aware that most are produced with EFI. I have seen several instances of where these have suffered from exposure to salt conditions and for my money I got one with carbies.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...007/11/100.jpg

You know, for that amount of money you could always build one ;) Like we did with Beatrice. 28' and just under 3 tonnes on the trailer, and the TD5 pulls without a problem :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2008/05/29.jpg

I flush our engine with Saltaway, as well as squirting it all over the trailer. Excellent stuff for prolonging the life of your engine - they are damned expensive!

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Originally Posted by Quiggers

5teve, if neither of these boats (hulls) really 'do it' for you, you could go another way...

...locate a boat (hull) with a tired engine, trade-in said engine on a new 4 stroker, like a Honda...

that way, you'll get a warranty on the motor along with (hopefully) reliability and good economy...

..if you intend to travel in fresh water areas, some places require 'low emission' motors, E.G. 2 stroke motors are banned in many (inland) places in NSW...

CraigE is entirely right, the newer the motor, the better it will be for you and your crew.

...nothing turns off the family quicker than a boat with a dodgy donk....

(but I do like your Stacer/Tohatsu description, dunny notwithstanding:D).

...my dear old BM-16, a glass over timber hull, is a fabulous thing, even the 1978 build Merc 85 is a good donk and easily pulls skiers and tubies, but it smells, is noisy and drinks...

...also, if you're going offshore, you're required to carry lots of extra safety gear (for good reason) and an auxiliary motor would be a good idea...

cheers, GQ

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not sure if there are any restrictions on low emmision engines in WA yet, but most fresh water will be done from around perth (swan valley) to freo and have plenty of friends who have 2 strokes and use them on the river...

most work will be offshore and both boats come with all the safety gear.. except the stacer is only single battery.. which i would change immediately. jackets radio epirb etc etc are all included.

the tohatsu is 4 years old so isnt that bad but not the new generation 2 stroke. unfortunately i dont have a choice on motors they come with what they have.

we will take both out anyway and have a look at how they both feel. i cant put my finger on why i like the stacer at the moment... just seems to be something about it.. A ride in it will tell all..

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You know, for that amount of money you could always build one Like we did with Beatrice. 28' and just under 3 tonnes on the trailer, and the TD5 pulls without a problem

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if i had the time the space and (she had) the patience i would love to... looks a beautiful boat... but im pretty sure a boat that size over here would need a huge engine on to get it to move!

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if we are factoring things in
any two stroke will run rings around its equivalent 4 stroke,, trying to lift a tonne "out of the hole" will require a bit more effort with a 4 stroke
4 strokes are MUCH more $$$ to get serviced,,
having said that,,
you will hardly know a 4 stroke is attached to the boat--(except for the weight)

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yeah would love a 4 stroke so its quiet... but running costs are a consideration (another reason to go for the stacer as its lightweight) but not the only consideration.

with the price on the carribean being so low we could afford to get a 4 stroke on it and still be able to sell up later with minimal loss... depends on whether usage justifies the fuel saving...

Quiggers... good to hear some positive stuff about the tohatsu's...

thanks for the help and opinions guys... it all helps...

if you want to see the stacer its here...

http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html'de=29760


Thanks

Steve

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if i had the time the space and (she had) the patience i would love to... looks a beautiful boat... but im pretty sure a boat that size over here would need a huge engine on to get it to move!

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60 hp Yamaha 4 stroke Hi-thrust, and it is a little over powered. :cool:

There is only one way to go if you want to go offshore, Steve. Go heavy.
A heavier boat is more "sea kindly", she rides a lot nicer.
I first went to sea at 15 years of age.
Ally is for cans of beer mate, not boats. Okay, for a car-topper, nothing more.

As for a repower? Think seriously on this.

Yanmah, Yamaha, Tohatsu. They all now make a very nice diesel outboard that runs on Bio-Diesel.
Impossible to pick from any other outboard side by side.
Honda make a really nice over-head cam 4 stoke.
2-strokes are out in Europe, and will be here soon.

Go for the Reef Runner, 18 foot is not really a very big boat, and repower with a nice new diesel outboard.

Personally, knowing Ozzie Whitely as I do, I'd try to find one of his lads "Voyager" series.
Solid, deep vee offshore hull, good safe freeboard, climb up onto their bow-wave and plane like a speed boat or dawdle like a trawler. For a glass boat they're nice.

Yeah!

Do it!

Dont waste too much time, or it may disappear.

bow is reasonably high, so the cab should stay dry, forward hull shape shows decent attack, chines may cause a bit of banging under your feet (skippers position)

What hooks me is the Tohatsu donk; if they make them like when I had my Toh's it should be a ripper.

The sounder is a bit basic, but, eh, so what?

A curtain over the cab; get the dealer to throw in a potty and your dunny prob is solved...

fair price at $30k from what you've sent...

the good thing about alloy is it will last for a very long time...no glass fracture worries...

be interesting to see the 'storm covers'; and check the bilge!!! if its very clean you know its been well cared for, if it shows residual grubbieness or much water markings, then ensure you check the donk.

does it have a bilge pump - whats its condition?

where is the 'hidden' flotation? - ie compressed buoyancy foam, even if the hull is immersed it (the boat) should still float...at about gunnel

now, standing by for the pics, the family in action!

GQ

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Yeah!

Do it!

Dont waste too much time, or it may disappear.

bow is reasonably high, so the cab should stay dry, forward hull shape shows decent attack, chines may cause a bit of banging under your feet (skippers position)

What hooks me is the Tohatsu donk; if they make them like when I had my Toh's it should be a ripper.

The sounder is a bit basic, but, eh, so what? Thats solved with combined sounder chartplotter (lowrance) that he will do us for cheap money
A curtain over the cab; get the dealer to throw in a potty and your dunny prob is solved... can always ask!

fair price at $30k from what you've sent... we wont be paying 30k for it... i know that for sure
the good thing about alloy is it will last for a very long time...no glass fracture worries...

be interesting to see the 'storm covers'; and check the bilge!!! if its very clean you know its been well cared for, if it shows residual grubbieness or much water markings, then ensure you check the donk.

does it have a bilge pump - whats its condition?

where is the 'hidden' flotation? - ie compressed buoyancy foam, even if the hull is immersed it (the boat) should still float...at about gunnel not seen any so maybe worth taking the floors up... then i can see other stuff that may be worth seeing! did you notice it had been antifouled.... which is strange for a trailer boat..

now, standing by for the pics, the family in action!

GQ

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Look up for comments... some great points made thanks...

we have just found out that SWMBO's boss has just spent a lot of money again with the guy we are dealing with... and has a lot of sway with him... so has told us to give him what for with the offer etc...

the nice thing is that the carribean wont be going anywhere as the guy isnt actively selling it... the stacer on the otherhand... well dunno how long it will last..

Shorty...

you sound like a fibreglass man! i have found you are either one or the other... so thanks for your opinions.. and especially the hope that there is a deisel outboard... i can imagine they are great BUT... i cannot find any info on them at all ... or the ones i can are all teeny 35hp engines... i'll need at least a 150 on the carribean... i'll assume as they are pretty specialist that they wont come cheap... i always wanted one based my impression of the TD5... i have been impressed with it... i wouldnt want to go back to petrol (until the td5 rapes my wallet :D )

Again thanks so much for the help...

Steve

antifoul doesn't cost much more than regular boat paint, (outside hi uv / salt resistance) and if the previous owner was a bit of a pedant, then so much the better:D;)

i have a 'dry' boat with anitfoul - 'cause i have gallons of the goo....seals up nicks in my glass over timber hull:D:D:D
.... some americans did some weird hulls in the early '60s....

take it for a run and take some pics, see how it goes getting up to plane - shouldn't really be any dramas with this boat; and give the trailer a good 'once over'...

how's the dealer? if he's not a genuine tohatsu person, find the guy in Perth who is - in my experience with Tohatsu's - the blokes in Syd were ex Evinrude converts, they loved the Tohatsu's (less w'ty work to do;)) unlike the blasted evinrrrrrrrssssss grrs

good thing it doesn't have one of them on the back,
i could write a book on evinrrgrrrrr:mad: failures

GQ