Diesel outboards are noisy and smelly. In most cases they are not suited to runabouts being designed for industrial applications.
Modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes are very economical to run. My 60hp Yammie does about 5l/hr.
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Diesel outboards are noisy and smelly. In most cases they are not suited to runabouts being designed for industrial applications.
Modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes are very economical to run. My 60hp Yammie does about 5l/hr.
Thanks for spending the time doing that shorty... looks like they are of the smaller variety... but still a nice idea... diesel cars are a rarity really in aus compared to europe so hardly surprising that the outboards arent seen here very often!Quote:
Originally Posted by shorty943
is that a bad thing then? im assuming you mean slippy in the water? this stuff is a thick creamy coloured base with black paint over the top... the black paint having mostly worn off or at least looking tatty... personally i'd like to take it off...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift
wow that not a lot of fuel... im assuming thats a total of the general use it gets rather than constant running?Quote:
Originally Posted by disco2hse
Now for some more question as i have been thinking overnight... all regarding the stacer....
Should the stacer have fresh water on board? if not why? and is it easy to fit?
Hour meters.... it hasnt got one... but i would ldeally like to fit one... again... this isnt particularly hard is it?
Dual batteries.. i consider this to be a must.. so how much would i be looking for fitting a second with an isolator?
Paint - the hull has a few chips on it (quite a few) around the sides where the guy was dragging his craypots in (apparently) typically what sort of costs would i be looking at to repair this... or is it easier to prep the whole thing and get a full respray?
what happens if there is no bouyancy foam? is it something that can be added? or should it be there as standard?
should the dealer object to me wanting to take the floor up to see what is under there?
im sure i'll think of some more so again thanks for all your time on this!
Steve
Antifoul does add significant drag in the water and could amount to a litre or more per hour, depending on displacement, hull shape etc. But as a trailer boat it can make it quite difficult pull up To get around that problem I use nylon sliders that get ultra-slippery when wet (you can't stand on them or you'll go a-over-k).Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
If your boat is never going to spend any extended period of time on the water then you don't need antifoul. A nice glassy finish is much better on a fizz boat.
That is the fuel usage at cruising speed, i.e. constant running.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Fresh water should always be carried when you go out. I normally pack at least 20l. I keep this in 20l containers although I have a 100l water bladder under the cabin sole.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Easy to fit? Sure, stick a tap on the container or put a sink in with a caravan pump, or you can go really fancy with an electric pump but they get annoying at night when there is no other noise but the whirring-grinding your damned pump;)
Very useful thing to have. Just as important as an odometer in your LR and for the same reason, so you know when to have your engine serviced, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
I would be surprised if it didn't already have one as all newish outboards have them as standard, unless they are low range putputs for dinghies and such.
They are a component of the outboard so the fittings should already be there and the manufacturer should be able to provide you with the correct one for your model.
Yes,this can an important item, especially if you have a fish finder and anchor winch. The bits you need are easily obtained from any chandler. Just make certain you get the correct cables and lengths, and... actually, get a marine electrician to install them. The sparky will recommend what you actually need according to your electrical requirements. It can not only save you time and grief, it may also save your life. There are instances where people have used the wrong sized cable/length ratio and had their boat go up in smoke.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Also make sure you are putting them in the right place. I see a lot of people putting batteries at the back but that may produce poor trim - the boat sitting stern down at rest or upsetting the plane angle. So I would suggest that before you decide, go out and move some batteries or heavy objects around until you are satisfied where you want them. Also, don't have them in the bilge because they will be affected by any salt water that accumulates there and batteries do produce gases which be lethal/explosive.
You can do this yourself. Epoxy coatings are expensive and there is no cheap way. It is important that the whole boat be done at the same time if the damaged areas are extensive. But once it's done your boat will look a million dollars :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
If you are inexperienced in this kind of application you can either do some research or get someone who knows how to do it. I'd go for the latter and if they cock it up they can fix it too:angel:
Won't make any real difference in a boat that size. You do not want to stake your life on something like that, instead learn how to handle the boat in different conditions and don't get into situations where you may be swamped. In other words, know your limitations and do not go too far beyond them (just enough for you to learn from your mistakes one mistake at a time).Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
People die because they trust in their boat's features instead of their skill or capability.
Absolutely not! If he is objecting to this then I would suspect that he knows there is something there he doesn't want you to see. Say you were to have the boat surveyed, the surveyor would check the bilges as a matter of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Watch out, this might be a lemon.
wow thanks for that! a very extensive reply!Quote:
Originally Posted by disco2hse
the dealer hasnt objected to anything i'm just pre-empting his response... which im looking at from a worst case scenario..
i have added some more comments above..
have just called and made an offer which was flatly refused... he says minimum of 28k no lower... i guess i could push him on fitting stuff? do we still think its reasonable value... subject to good mechanicals and all clear from survey...?
Thanks again for that great reply... im learning :D
Steve
If you are going to get the chips done then you might as well go the whole hog.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Thanks :) Beatrice is a beautiful boat. Makes it hard to get off the slip with all her admirers ;) Hull designed speed is 6.5 knots, We normally cruise at 8-10 knots and max is 17 knots. Beatrice a is displacement hull and, like George, the 109, we prefer to drive slow :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
You can get water containers in all kinds of shapes and sizes. I am certain you will find something that fits your needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
IIRC it is a fairly oldish model so it may not have one. But if you get a new/newer engine it will have one. They are a doddle to install.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
At 20-25kg per battery that is a lot of weight to affect your trim. It will make a difference to your boat's handling and fuel consumption. The original design was for a single battery only. Adding another will make a difference. Consider too that when you are at anchor and sitting at the stern, there will be the combined weight of you, your family and the batteries.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Gel coat and paint are epoxy normally. Steps are, remove old gel coat, prepare paint surface, coat with colour, coat with gel coat. Normally done in two days by a pro. Day one, prep, day two coatings.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
For it to have any appreciable effect consider the weight in water displaced if the boat were full of water. Say it weighs 1.5 tonne dry, the internal volume then filled with water, say another 1.5 tonne. You would need the equivalent flotation in foam to support that weight, 3 tonnes. It'd probably damn near fill the boat:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Oh, OK then. See if you can get a recommended surveyor from the local Coast Guard or boating club. Some are not very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5teve
Steve, do you mind if I chuck in a few observations and comments - just food for thought from someone on the outside-looking in;)
The Stacer seems "very used" - and at $28K (as stated by the dealer) it seems a bit rich.
Mate, I bought a 5.2m aluminium (and that is 4mm plate aluminium) fully equipped, powered by Suzuki 90hp four-stroke and dual axle trailer for $35K - brand spanking new. Maybe not the boat for you but it gives an idea of what is available.
Steve, why the fixation on this boat - the boat-yards are full of them - enjoy yourself and have a bit more of a look.
Just my comments, Steve, but reading your remarks I am becoming uncomfortable with the boat in question.
In fact, there is a good boat manufactured in WA - Trailcraft and they are relatively well-priced.
Thanks for the answers there disco...
Barra..
we have a fairly tight budget that we would blow completely at 35k.. the carribean comes in at under that... and the stacer obviusly does too :D maths is my strong point you see!!!
maybe i am being a bit harsh and put it across as being far more used that it is.... im very finicky with things i buy and like to get perfection for scrap money! the fixing of chips to the paintwork will be done in time.. as will everything else.. so again maybe im being harsh on it... which is better than being smitten with it..
have you had a look on boatsonline for wa? there arent that many boats around at the mo that seem good. I know dealers are struggling to find boats at all... the few and far between reviews of the stacer also seem to be very very good... and a sea trial will tell us all i guess! did you see the link to the stacer review and also the advert?
one of the guys on here worked for trailcraft and has told me to call saltwater marine about boats there... so will be doing that shortly!
thanks again for your comments, all very helpful!
Steve
Sorry Steve, I didn't word my previous post as well as I intended.
I was only using the figure of $35,000 for a new boat as an illustration of the difference between new and what I thought was a well-used boat.
Understand completely the budget - I blew mine but then again (at times) owning and fitting-out a Land Rover is a University for Budget Blowing.:(
But I suppose that would be same for any properly equipped 4WD. Certainly applies to buying and owning a boat.:o
no apologies... i hope my post didnt seem to snap back at you it was only meant in a humourous way... all opinions / examples are valued and learned by...
i have called trailcraft and they have NO second hand boats...which i was surprised about but they occasionally see second hand motors that get whacked on new boats.. brings the cost down... they said they will have a quick hunt around and see what they can find...
ideally we were looking for a 6m boat (learning from a friend or 2 there!) and this stacer came close and ticked a few boxes...
we will deffo get the trial with the stacer and get pics etc.. then see what people think... if its still good then we'll do the mechanical and see how that shapes up...
budgets i have got used to blowing (house, car, kitchen, bathroom, and im sure the boat too.... as originally we had 25k for the boat... )
oh well... life goes on :angel:
Thanks
Steve
...should get a big truck and pick up some of the zillions of used boats that lurk around here....:D:D:D
and head for Perth!
I'm trying to sell my old ship at the mo' for all of $3000
(damn good boat for the money) but, nary a scratch...
GQ