Why was the CDL removed ? doesn't that make it an "all wheel drive" car instead of a 4wd ? Land rover do some weird things sometimes... ah actually it was probably to save about 2pence on each car, did Ford own it then by any chance ?
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Why was the CDL removed ? doesn't that make it an "all wheel drive" car instead of a 4wd ? Land rover do some weird things sometimes... ah actually it was probably to save about 2pence on each car, did Ford own it then by any chance ?
For the TD5 at least, all you need is to carry a shorter belt to temporarily bypass the ACE pump if the pump fails. No need to avoid ACE.Quote:
Originally Posted by ak
Ignoring technicalities IMHO the difference between AWD and 4WD is the existence of a transfer case and hence low/high ranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncanw
Yeah, haven't seen a lot of RAV4s, Outlanders, Santa Fe's etc with low range...:p Although the Forester did have low range.
Conversely, Patrols don't have a CDL, and like 'em or not I wouldn't suggest they weren't a four wheel drive...
Mike
OK... If you REALLY want to split hairs...Quote:
Originally Posted by duncanw
Actually, it just changes it from 1WD to 2WD. A diff, being lazy, will always send the power down the path of least resistance... Lift one wheel off the ground and you'll go nowhere. Lock the centre diff & you'll split the power evenly front & rear. That way, lift one wheel, you'll still have drive. However, lift one at the front & one at the rear and again, you'll go nowhere. :D
M
PS... It was still BMW at the helm when the D2 came out.
Ah thanks, I couldn't remember if it was CDL or no transfer box that made it an all wheel drive :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoStew
It looks like I've touched a nerve with my comment, I wasn't really trying to split hairs or get anyone wound up, I am just amazed that they would get rid of something as critical as a CDL, and still market the Discovery as a comfortable Defender. (I may have dreamed of that one so don't quote me on it) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by camel_landy
I've heard talk that the D2 is a more capable car than the D1 because the tail doesn't overhang as much and it has more usable storage space. But if you can't go nowhere when a wheel comes off the ground how does that make it more capable ?
I'm probably going to touch another nerve of a few people here, but most of the features on the D2 seems to be focused for on road performance ? Is that a fair assumption ???
p.s. I've got a D1 so I might be slightly biased :p
the D2's are longer and wider, with more wheel travel at the front. add in TC and HDC how can it not be better off road??
You may have the D1 & D2 around the wrong way here.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncanw
The D2 has the longer overhang at the rear due to the increased cargo area, however this results in poor departure angles. A D2 which is a regular off roader is likely to exhibit some telltale signs on the underside of the rear bar.
And as stated, the D2 has Traction Control which utilises the ABS to keep you moving if you lift a wheel or two off the ground.
I can tell you the traction control WILL BOG YOU IF TOWING AN EMPTY TRAILER ON A TRACK THAT TURNS TOO POO!!!!!
Been there done that!!!!
To stop and lock my CDL(I have a homemade job) would have bogged me thru stopping,needed to cross the fingers press on,traction control stuffs that up BIGTIME!!!! Last thing you need is the brakes on towing a trailer in the slops!!!
The ability to select TC or not and lock the CDL makes the D2 a strong performer off road,OK we have a bigger overhang,but a custom steel rear bar fixes that issue plus so much more interior room.
Andrew
I remember when the D2 came out LR demonstrated the then new traction control by putting wheeled trolleys under three wheels and driving the vehicle using one wheel, showing that TC will keep you moving when up to THREE wheels are off the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncanw
As for AWD vs 4WD, it's whatever definition serves your purpose. Those that consider that they have "real" 4WDs (whatever they are) will frame the definition to exclude "not real" 4WDs (whatever they are). A transfer case with low range is often quoted as the deciding factor, but that makes the manual Subaru Foresters and Outbacks 4WD and the autos AWD.