A crims rights

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

There was a copper in Winton, late 50's whose method of dealing with drunks who wanted to fight was to whack them with a baton then chuck them in the police vehicle, drive them 5 miles out of town on a nice dirt track with sharp stones and goat head burrs, off with their boots, kick them out and leave them there. Not many wanted a second helping. .

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There was a dry aboriginal community in Arnhem land which had a similar approach, round the drunks up drive them out of the settlement to a salt pan and let them sleep it off in the midday sun then they had to walk the 10 kms back to home in bare feet. It was effective as the punishment was done in a way the aborigines could understand but some white advisors considered it was not humane to treat them this way so they stopped it. Now alcoholism is a big problem.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

I used to know, from lunchtime sessions at the Salisbury pub, men who worked for a security patrols company. The trainer said he instructed trainees that if they came across an armed or threatening intruder on patrolled premises they should call out loudly several times "Stop or I'll shoot", fire a warning shot into the ceiling if indoors or the ground if outdoors, and if the intruder continues then shoot the intruder. He used to tell them it was a good idea for the warning shot to be the second shot but to keep that to yourself. He also used to tell them to keep a good solid 12"-18" steel bar in the car, with the handle wrapped in plastic tape. Make sure the bar is clean of your prints and kept in a clean bag. Then when you have to shoot an intruder you put his prints all over the bar so your claim of being threatened by an armed and dangerous intruder can be substantiated.

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And that is why the security industry is now so heavily controlled by legislation.

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Originally Posted by shorty943

A couple of years ago, some young punks tried a home invasion in Adelaide.
Barged in to an old man's home, got a lot of trouble. He was a former Olympic shooter. 1 X 80 plus year old man with a gun, you know the rest?
That's right, the old bloke being invaded and threatened ended up on attempted murder charges.
Then we told the government to get it right or we will shoot you. (sort of)

Now, in SA, If I don't know you, Meet my mate, the baseball bat.:angel:
We are a progressive mob over here aren't we, we even recognise the rights of good folks, as well as scum bags.

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Shorty,
he was 94 years old, he was bedridden and had been broken into twice before
so 'was in fear they'd kill him' therefore armed himself with the shotgun with which he had competed!!!... billy the goose breaks in and then forces way into bedroom (which he had locked door as he did every night... told to leave by our (now deceased) hero and said something to the tune of what can you do about it old man, offender was armed with bar which our hero must've thought was a machete or knife......

our hero then despatches billy the goose removing the gene pool stain that he was from our midst.... amazing that at 94 he was still helping australia
get better!!! two shots, one centre mass other side shot and neck...

(secretly I reckon someone jogging past mustve yelled "PULL" and our hero reacted....thats what Id say anyway...)

No charges against our hero who actually recieved criminal injuries compensation as he was a victim of crime :D:D

his firearms lic unfortunately was later revoked due to his infirmity... the sapol
armourers deactivated his shotgun, restored it and presented it back to him in a case complete with photos of when he competed for australia...


but as previously said.....

exception ... in most cases you do anything not considered reasonable
in action then you will be learning new yoga positions with Bubba your new "flatmate" and "instructor":o:o:o

cheers
digger

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Originally Posted by fatcat

Hi all i got a chain saw for my birthday, i kept it next to my bed for awhile but wife made me take it outside now its just in a locked spar are few meter from my bed scare the begeebys out of someone me chasing them up the street nude and with the chainsaw screaming.

P.s think better remember a pair of boxers before i do this :o

chers all

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in these days of op safety, you can chase em nude but need chaps, goggles, ear protection,gloves and steelcaps

in fact, forget the chainsaw, you could terrify him by chasing him dressed like that!


digger

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Originally Posted by cartm58

sorry to inform you but the law has been the same for centuries not a new event caused by social do gooders

Its never been legal to set man traps on your property, 18Century Landowners and Game Wardens were jsut as peeved they couldnt have bear traps set for poachers in their forests as you are not to be able to maim burglars.

Its never been lawful to use excessive force in defence of property or another person, what is reasonable force is a subjective question determined by the courts.

Just because the bad man is doing something wrong doesn't give you the right to kill or harm him, that is a job for society through the court system.

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That is not quite right....You can! :o...It is all based on the reasonable excuse and the Use of Force Continuum......which uses an escalating use of force to over come force being used against you.......for instances if the Bad Man is rushing at you screaming that he is going to cut ya guts out and do other nasty things to ya corpse, then the average person would be in fear of their life, cos the assailent has the ability to carry out the actions that he has stated that he is going to do to you and is for all apparent reasons attempting to do just that......so to perserve your life...you can legally shoot him dead. But if the Badman is on one side of a chain mesh fence with razor wire across the top and he has a knife and states that he is going to stab you....then you cannot shoot him dead...cos although he has stated an intention and has the weapon in his hand...he does not have the ability to execute the threat cos he is seperated from you by the Fence...if he has a firearm then the situation changes rapidly...but if you have the ability to duck down behind something and make an escape then you are bound to do so.

If you are assulted by a person you are permitted to use "reasonable force" to defend yourself......not to then go on and teach the rotten little mongrel a lesson he won't forget for some time,,,even though he made desperately need it:D.

Most people still think the law says equal force but you can use all force needed to stop an attack. I have had a person try to have me charged with assault because i hit him with a baton when he was unarmed, but he and his brother had just told me they were going to kill me and he clenched his fist. He thought i could only use my fists against him, his complaint went all the way to the commisioner of police as he also complained about the police inspector who attended. I believe he still walks with a cane 3 years latter. Extenable batons are made of steel not aluminium it still bent around his knee.:twisted:

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

"your honour I was attempting to instruct the accused to not leave as I had called the police with the intent of having him arrested on break and entry and theft related charges. It was then that he attacked me and I took sufficient defensive actions to render myself and family safe"

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I was backing away but he persited, viciously attacking my fists with his face :wasntme:

In 1970, a mate, a construction worker who boarded in a Sydney Eastern Suburbs pub, was seeing a very nice lady who had been married and divorced twice. She lived in a small bed-sit. They were hitting it off well together and decided to move in together. He asked his publican landlord to store his gear whilst the happy couple looked for a bigger flat. Before they found the bigger flat, the first ex-husband (divorced nearly ten years) turned up late one night through the window, gave my mate (small inoffensive man) a flogging and told him to get away from " his missus" or he would come back tomorrow and give my mate some more. Next night as promised he returned. My mate emptied a .22 semi-auto rifle into him. My mate, who had no ties and no property was remanded in custody, denied bail. The wallopers were waiting to see if the ex died from multiple gunshot wounds before finalising charges. The girlfriend, in fear of her life, did a runner. My mates car got repossessed and the publican dumped his gear. The ex-husband disappeared after he got out of hospital as he was probably going to be charged with various offences like illegal entry and assault. End result, my mate spent 18 months on remand in Long Bay, lost his car, possessions, and girlfriend.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

In 1970, a mate, a construction worker who boarded in a Sydney Eastern Suburbs pub, was seeing a very nice lady who had been married and divorced twice. She lived in a small bed-sit. They were hitting it off well together and decided to move in together. He asked his publican landlord to store his gear whilst the happy couple looked for a bigger flat. Before they found the bigger flat, the first ex-husband (divorced nearly ten years) turned up late one night through the window, gave my mate (small inoffensive man) a flogging and told him to get away from " his missus" or he would come back tomorrow and give my mate some more. Next night as promised he returned. My mate emptied a .22 semi-auto rifle into him. My mate, who had no ties and no property was remanded in custody, denied bail. The wallopers were waiting to see if the ex died from multiple gunshot wounds before finalising charges. The girlfriend, in fear of her life, did a runner. My mates car got repossessed and the publican dumped his gear. The ex-husband disappeared after he got out of hospital as he was probably going to be charged with various offences like illegal entry and assault. End result, my mate spent 18 months on remand in Long Bay, lost his car, possessions, and girlfriend.

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And the moral of that tale is?

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Originally Posted by miky

And the moral of that tale is?

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Obviously don't shoot intruders even if they have bashed s**t out of you and are about to do it again. Randwick police did nothing more than record the first incident, told him to call the police if the ex returned, but locked the poor bugger up when he defended himself. The only loser here was the bloke who defended himself.