Thread: Land Rover Engineer Requires Info

Originally Posted by rovers4

My Defender is a good unit 4wd wise, but there are things that drive me mad.
Some of them may have been sorted on the new model, or made even worse.

I want two batteries, large N70 size, fitted N-S under passenger seat, without the annoying roll floor.
The entire space under driver's seat available for storage or to house radio gear. That is multiple radios, around five is what I run to.. (wont work too much heat loading)

The computer to go in RH front guard area - you call it a wing.(its on the firewall in the 07)

The rain gutters must stay, but be a bit wider so that the rain can get past the roof bar legs and not run in behind the roof lining to end up on your legs.
The gutters to wrap around the windscreen "A" pillar so that water runs down away from an open door.
The front air vents to actually seal when closed. (mine do and there isnt any on some counties and the 07)
Cool air for the leg area would be good.

All doors to seal aganst water ingress when fording rivers, up to bonnet level.(Mine do)

No holes in under-seat storage areas - battery case to be sealable when fording, vented under normal use. (not legal battery spaces must be vented + if you seal them your radios that you wantto put in will cook

The standard body lift jack to be replaced with a bottle jack, with under rear seat or in engine bay storage - LH wing?
Tool/parts storage also in both front wings.(did you want to install the tardis chip there as well?)

Bigger fuel tanks, plus provision for water tanks under rear guards.
Lockers under side sills.(Perhaps here would be a better space for the tardis chip)
A stiffer rear edge to the bonnet.
A gas strut to assist with the bonnet, especially when carrying a second spare up there.
Long side steps that let you put your shoe/boot in under side skirt.(that will kill off your ramp over angles)

Taller and therefore better AM/FM radio antenna.
Stronger rear door to absorb spare wheel bounce/ or a 4 point mount rear carrier with articulation so that you can open the carrier past a caravan/boat nose.(Just how short is your draw bar)


Any computer to have either a limp-home mode or to have dummy plugs to bypass problematic sensors. Only achievable on some sensors and the computer will ignore them anyway
No fuel pumps to be sited inside a fuel tank.(why not, best place for em an acess panel or side mounting them would be better)

Incorporate proper and substantial mounting lugs just in front of the steering damper for front tow bar when and if required.

The Australian wiring loom differs from that published in the manual. Provide details, and full drawings
Upgrade the fuses and wiring for the lighting to allow trailer and extra rear fittings. N.B. Australian vehicles do not use repeater relays.The existing harness is capable of dealing with any trailer you can legally tow
Install relays in all front headlight circuits.
Upgrade the headlight switches - the Defender switches fail.
Give more leg room to the passengers, both in front and rear.
Let the rear seat poassengers see out the front without crouching in their seats.
We need quicker acting heaters.
We need more power - the 300tdi is just way too slow on the open road.(get a TD5/transit powered defender)

That will do for starters.


Rovers4

I know Im picking But some of thie things your asking for are either impossable or mutually exclusive..... my responses are in blue

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I know Im picking But some of thie things your asking for are either impossable or mutually exclusive..... my responses are in blue

besides that if LR were to do a defender of the line like that WHAT THE HELL WOULD THE AVERAGE JOE MODIFY

cheers phil

Originally Posted by discowhite

besides that if LR were to do a defender of the line like that WHAT THE HELL WOULD THE AVERAGE JOE MODIFY

cheers phil

That's true Phill, all I'd like LR to do when designing the new defender is have a close look at the Merc G wagon. 3 factory lockers, and so on.

Since I couldn't find one in the first few pages or in the last few, I'll offer a dissenting opinion. I might have missed a few pages in the middle.

While I accept that changes have to be made to meet emissions and safety regulation, can't see much point in changing anything.

Land Rovers are already sufficiently capable for my needs and some of us would like them to be affordable.

I can't see me changing the habit of a lifetime and buying a new vehicle, but even the second hand price of the Land Rover some people want built would be ridiculously high.

I want a capable, affordable, reliable vehicle. I don't want Land Rover to build a vehicle I can't afford, even second hand, with a whole lot of features I don't need.

If someone else wants those features, let them pay the extra to add them.

Have some of the people who are advocating all the bells and whistles stopped to think what they would cost?

If you want those features, you pay for them, but don't force me to.

I like that....

itd be a great conversation at the dealers..

yes sir that landrover is the base version (and your looking at a series II) would sir like to see the options list?

the optional extras list would be along the lines of

• passangers seat (supplied with seatbelts)
• wind shield
• windshield wipers (requires previous item)
• fuel gauge
• volts gaug
• oil pressure gauge
• roof
• roof that doesnt leak (tell me you didnt actuallythink this was available)
• rear seats (supplied with seat belts)
• windows
• second spare
• front winch (specify elec, pto or hydraulic)
• rear winch (specify elec pto or hydraulic)
• on board engine driven air comressor
• CTIF (requires previous item)
• padded dash
• sound insulation
• radio (previous item is reccomended)
• tow pack
• rear locker
• front locker
• abs
• TC
• hand wich
• cargo barrier (roof +windows option recommended)
• HDC
• cloth seat covers
• Leather seats
• carpet
• 12v automotive fridge
• dual batteries
• tri batteries
• quad batteries (reccomended for extended use of elec winch
• larger fuel tank
• long range fuel tank
• 2 long range fuel tanks
• the Oh my god ITs never going to stop filling 1000l fuel tank
• Hd suspension (required with previous option)
• uhf 2way radio
• AM 2 way radio
• AM radio
• Fm radio
• VHF radio
• Hf Radio
• LF radio
• ELF radio
• cassete player
• cd player
• Sat phone
• GPS system
• enough antennea to make people think you ticked at least 1/2 of the previous 12 items
• on board entertainment (single dual tri or quad screens)
  (if you tick all previous Radio/entertainent at least dual batteries are reccomended)
• Aero dynamics package (no sorry we're just kidding this isnt available)
• AT/MT tyres
• Bead lockers
• runflats
• snow tyres
• snow chains
• Really big tyres
• monster truck conversion
• The "crap the rubber alone is too tall to get into undercover parking" tyres (needs previous option)
• Tracks (no we're not kidding we've done it before)
• 31 inch Bling bling shiney rims with 1 inch licorice strip tyres (if you tick this we are not going to take you seriously ever) (and we'll double the price becuase your a gullible fool with more money than brains) (yes even if you only have $20 and are morgagin a house to pay for this)
• Airbags
• Side entry protection
• reliable Lucas Electrics (yes you got us this Item still isnt available, we'll let you know when it is)
• the "its a landrover, of course it can recover your toyata" stickers
• Instruction booklet on the LR wave thing you'll have to get used to if your trading in a toyota
• 6x6 conversion
• Front impact protection (previously sold as a bull bar)
• Rear impact protection (previously sold as a tow hitch)
• Windy windows
• Electric windows
• Tdi diesel
• TD5 diesel
• Isuzu 3.9 diesel
• Hearing protection (seriously reccomended with that last engine)(yes even if you ticked sound insulation)(no we're not kidding)
• a V8 (the arabs would like to thank you for your ongoing pledge to finance them
• the bigger V8 (you do like the arabs dontcha)
• with LPG (ok maybe not so much)
• a 4 speed gearbox
• a tough 4 speed gearbox
• the 5 speed gearbox
• the strong 5 speed gearbox
• the really strong 5 speed gearbox
• a 3 speed auto
• a 4 speed auto
• a 5 speed auto
• a 6 speed auto
  (the previous 4 options come with a free $200 shopping voucher for @ dresses'r'us)
• power steeing
• power assisted brakes
• disc brakes front (requires previous option)
• disc brakes rear (requires both previous options)
• Enough brakes to stop a freight train
• disc brake conversion for the park brake
• snorkle
• exhaust brake
• tinted windows
• door locks
• side mirrors
• internal rear view mirror (reccomended with any of the autos so you can see to put your make up on)
• a heater
• air con (not just opening the windows)
• air con that works
• rust prevention system (this is also included free as a segmented sequential upgrade over time)

• The extra heavy duty, all the bells and whistles, ultra tall on oversized rubber 8x8x8 conversion with the airbag suspension and CTIF pressure drop onto runflats so it still makes it into carparks conversion. (tick this one if youve allready ticked all the boxes above excluting any of the autos and the bling bling rims)

• anything else we didnt think of.

Maybe there should be a waterproof option for the Defender although some long term Defender drivers would go into shock if it rained and they didnt get wet feet.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I like that....

itd be a great conversation at the dealers..

yes sir that landrover is the base version (and your looking at a series II) would sir like to see the options list?

the optional extras list would be along the lines of

• passangers seat (supplied with seatbelts)
• wind shield
• windshield wipers (requires previous item)
• fuel gauge
• volts gaug
• oil pressure gauge
• roof
• roof that doesnt leak (tell me you didnt actuallythink this was available)
• rear seats (supplied with seat belts)
• windows
• second spare
• front winch (specify elec, pto or hydraulic)
• rear winch (specify elec pto or hydraulic)
• on board engine driven air comressor
• CTIF (requires previous item)
• padded dash
• sound insulation
• radio (previous item is reccomended)
• tow pack
• rear locker
• front locker
• abs
• TC
• hand wich
• cargo barrier (roof +windows option recommended)
• HDC
• cloth seat covers
• Leather seats
• carpet
• 12v automotive fridge
• dual batteries
• tri batteries
• quad batteries (reccomended for extended use of elec winch
• larger fuel tank
• long range fuel tank
• 2 long range fuel tanks
• the Oh my god ITs never going to stop filling 1000l fuel tank
• Hd suspension (required with previous option)
• uhf 2way radio
• AM 2 way radio
• AM radio
• Fm radio
• VHF radio
• Hf Radio
• LF radio
• ELF radio
• cassete player
• cd player
• Sat phone
• GPS system
• enough antennea to make people think you ticked at least 1/2 of the previous 12 items
• on board entertainment (single dual tri or quad screens)
  (if you tick all previous Radio/entertainent at least dual batteries are reccomended)
• Aero dynamics package (no sorry we're just kidding this isnt available)
• AT/MT tyres
• Bead lockers
• runflats
• snow tyres
• snow chains
• Really big tyres
• monster truck conversion
• The "crap the rubber alone is too tall to get into undercover parking" tyres (needs previous option)
• Tracks (no we're not kidding we've done it before)
• 31 inch Bling bling shiney rims with 1 inch licorice strip tyres (if you tick this we are not going to take you seriously ever) (and we'll double the price becuase your a gullible fool with more money than brains) (yes even if you only have $20 and are morgagin a house to pay for this)
• Airbags
• Side entry protection
• reliable Lucas Electrics (yes you got us this Item still isnt available, we'll let you know when it is)
• the "its a landrover, of course it can recover your toyata" stickers
• Instruction booklet on the LR wave thing you'll have to get used to if your trading in a toyota
• 6x6 conversion
• Front impact protection (previously sold as a bull bar)
• Rear impact protection (previously sold as a tow hitch)
• Windy windows
• Electric windows
• Tdi diesel
• TD5 diesel
• Isuzu 3.9 diesel
• Hearing protection (seriously reccomended with that last engine)(yes even if you ticked sound insulation)(no we're not kidding)
• a V8 (the arabs would like to thank you for your ongoing pledge to finance them
• the bigger V8 (you do like the arabs dontcha)
• with LPG (ok maybe not so much)
• a 4 speed gearbox
• a tough 4 speed gearbox
• the 5 speed gearbox
• the strong 5 speed gearbox
• the really strong 5 speed gearbox
• a 3 speed auto
• a 4 speed auto
• a 5 speed auto
• a 6 speed auto
  (the previous 4 options come with a free $200 shopping voucher for @ dresses'r'us)
• power steeing
• power assisted brakes
• disc brakes front (requires previous option)
• disc brakes rear (requires both previous options)
• Enough brakes to stop a freight train
• disc brake conversion for the park brake
• snorkle
• exhaust brake
• tinted windows
• door locks
• side mirrors
• internal rear view mirror (reccomended with any of the autos so you can see to put your make up on)
• a heater
• air con (not just opening the windows)
• air con that works
• rust prevention system (this is also included free as a segmented sequential upgrade over time)

• The extra heavy duty, all the bells and whistles, ultra tall on oversized rubber 8x8x8 conversion with the airbag suspension and CTIF pressure drop onto runflats so it still makes it into carparks conversion. (tick this one if youve allready ticked all the boxes above excluting any of the autos and the bling bling rims)

• anything else we didnt think of.

Dave you have too much time on your hands this afternoon.


A bit like me too.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I like that....

itd be a great conversation at the dealers..

yes sir that landrover is the base version (and your looking at a series II) would sir like to see the options list?

the optional extras list would be along the lines of

• passangers seat (supplied with seatbelts)
• wind shield
• windshield wipers (requires previous item)
• fuel gauge
• volts gaug
• oil pressure gauge
• roof
• roof that doesnt leak (tell me you didnt actuallythink this was available)
• rear seats (supplied with seat belts)
• windows
• second spare
• front winch (specify elec, pto or hydraulic)
• rear winch (specify elec pto or hydraulic)
• on board engine driven air comressor
• CTIF (requires previous item)
• padded dash
• sound insulation
• radio (previous item is reccomended)
• tow pack
• rear locker
• front locker
• abs
• TC
• hand wich
• cargo barrier (roof +windows option recommended)
• HDC
• cloth seat covers
• Leather seats
• carpet
• 12v automotive fridge
• dual batteries
• tri batteries
• quad batteries (reccomended for extended use of elec winch
• larger fuel tank
• long range fuel tank
• 2 long range fuel tanks
• the Oh my god ITs never going to stop filling 1000l fuel tank
• Hd suspension (required with previous option)
• uhf 2way radio
• AM 2 way radio
• AM radio
• Fm radio
• VHF radio
• Hf Radio
• LF radio
• ELF radio
• cassete player
• cd player
• Sat phone
• GPS system
• enough antennea to make people think you ticked at least 1/2 of the previous 12 items
• on board entertainment (single dual tri or quad screens)
  (if you tick all previous Radio/entertainent at least dual batteries are reccomended)
• Aero dynamics package (no sorry we're just kidding this isnt available)
• AT/MT tyres
• Bead lockers
• runflats
• snow tyres
• snow chains
• Really big tyres
• monster truck conversion
• The "crap the rubber alone is too tall to get into undercover parking" tyres (needs previous option)
• Tracks (no we're not kidding we've done it before)
• 31 inch Bling bling shiney rims with 1 inch licorice strip tyres (if you tick this we are not going to take you seriously ever) (and we'll double the price becuase your a gullible fool with more money than brains) (yes even if you only have $20 and are morgagin a house to pay for this)
• Airbags
• Side entry protection
• reliable Lucas Electrics (yes you got us this Item still isnt available, we'll let you know when it is)
• the "its a landrover, of course it can recover your toyata" stickers
• Instruction booklet on the LR wave thing you'll have to get used to if your trading in a toyota
• 6x6 conversion
• Front impact protection (previously sold as a bull bar)
• Rear impact protection (previously sold as a tow hitch)
• Windy windows
• Electric windows
• Tdi diesel
• TD5 diesel
• Isuzu 3.9 diesel
• Hearing protection (seriously reccomended with that last engine)(yes even if you ticked sound insulation)(no we're not kidding)
• a V8 (the arabs would like to thank you for your ongoing pledge to finance them
• the bigger V8 (you do like the arabs dontcha)
• with LPG (ok maybe not so much)
• a 4 speed gearbox
• a tough 4 speed gearbox
• the 5 speed gearbox
• the strong 5 speed gearbox
• the really strong 5 speed gearbox
• a 3 speed auto
• a 4 speed auto
• a 5 speed auto
• a 6 speed auto
  (the previous 4 options come with a free $200 shopping voucher for @ dresses'r'us)
• power steeing
• power assisted brakes
• disc brakes front (requires previous option)
• disc brakes rear (requires both previous options)
• Enough brakes to stop a freight train
• disc brake conversion for the park brake
• snorkle
• exhaust brake
• tinted windows
• door locks
• side mirrors
• internal rear view mirror (reccomended with any of the autos so you can see to put your make up on)
• a heater
• air con (not just opening the windows)
• air con that works
• rust prevention system (this is also included free as a segmented sequential upgrade over time)

• The extra heavy duty, all the bells and whistles, ultra tall on oversized rubber 8x8x8 conversion with the airbag suspension and CTIF pressure drop onto runflats so it still makes it into carparks conversion. (tick this one if youve allready ticked all the boxes above excluting any of the autos and the bling bling rims)

• anything else we didnt think of.

BLOODY hell that would take me a week to think up and type

They need strong recovery points,wider body,comfier seats,wider track,4bd1t isuzu engines as option,less electrics,front and rear lockers,stronger axles cv's,etc,offroad tyres,keep the body and chassis the same,bigger fuel compasity and bigger engines.