You know... my LandRover TD5 is more reliable than my Mountain bike that has no electronics (almost).![]()
Hi All,
I know some of you still prefer oldfashion elecrticless engines and transmissions. You still think that old staff much better than new technology... I'm sure it is human nature and words like: "Remember, 50 years ago we did this and this and didn't have any probs. Look at now, #$%^, you can't fix it in bush, #$% technology..." you could hear 2-3 century ago and earlier.
What do you think if our computer managed cars will get proper OS instead of eeprommed/flashed microcontrollers?
Some examples of operation:
-- ABS sensor broken -> go in management console and disable it (or run diagnostic/selftesting). Or disable only on one axel and keep active on other
-- TC doesn't work how you like -> all settings here, change it to your preferences or use presets "sand", "mud", "rock crawling", etc.
-- Fuel maps -> no worries, activate your favorite presets or make changes on-fly. Computer looks after you and doesn't let you apply incorrect settings.
-- Air flow, turbo, engine/gearbox/tc coolant/oil temperature, oil pressure,.. everything here on computer screen. You can set any sort of alarms, customise life figures readings etc... even font size, color, font family...
-- One of the most important is BACKUP. Done something wrong - restore from backup: original settings, last used settings...
-- SAFE MODE: lets say after extreme driving (deep water, for example) some functions do not respond or/and sending alarm messages. Reboot your system into Safe Mode and drive to home or place where you can fix them.
-- Navigation, trip controller, music, tv, dvd,.. put anything here what you can imagine, everything available as separate software if you like.
-- Reports. You can print out any reports and graphs how your car operates. For example, fuel flow dependance from engine revs. Or how many times you applied brakes per 100km. Or fuel consumption to speed/revs border of changing gears. Anything I'd say. Want to keep logging all activities on day-by-day base for future investigation - do it! You will see in figures difference between woolies and bp fuel, not only feel how you'r doing it now. Which air filter better, or temperature difference (read friction) from what brand of oil you used in engine.
ANYTHING!
Computerised cars is our future, so why not? To say more the Land Rover company always was steps further other car companies. Might be 2012 Defender will be running under Linux...
Cheers,
Ruslan
You know... my LandRover TD5 is more reliable than my Mountain bike that has no electronics (almost).![]()
Cheers
Slunnie
~ Discovery II Td5 ~ Discovery 3dr V8 ~ Series IIa 6cyl ute ~ Series II V8 ute ~
Some very good points Ruslan.
I was only thinking today, now that I am one of the many who have recently purchased the Nanocom unit that the idea of selectable fuel maps for towing heavy loads or running around town empty and all the variables in between is (from my relatively ignorant perspective) maybe not to far away for the average punter.
Seems to make more sense than trying to cover everything with the one map.
After all their our toys, why can't we play with them!![]()
Paul.
77 series3 (sold)
95 300Tdi Ute (sold)
2003 XTREME Td5
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
having just finished the economy/hill climb run in big red after she was rebrained you dont need multiple maps...
get the biggest one your willing to risk and then relearn how to use the loud pedal gently.
I used to get 250km from the first 1/4 of a tank (from max full till the needle is in the middle of the 3/4 graduation mark) and today with 230+km under the wheels shes come back at a full needles width from the 3/4 mark.
Dave
"In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."
For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.
Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
TdiautoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)
If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
If you think you're in front on the deal, pay it forwards.
flashed eproms are stacks quicker on boot up than an an OS. Imagine turning the ignition key, waiting for the BIOS to load, BIOS virus scan to check OK, Memory check OK, Detect Hard drives, Load OS...windows logo..................start "drive to work" application...
Here's a scary fact. Jaguar/Land Rover are one of many that develop the ECU programs using MatLab and Mathworks Real-time workshop on Microsoft Windows PC's. The developed software is compiled and burnt to EPROM's etc.
If you Google MatLab or Mathworks, you can find papers published about this.
So when the car stops you simple close the windows and reopen them
Personally I think the ECU aspect is only now starting to come of age. As car's become more electricly controlled I think we will see a significant improvement in diagnostics.
MY15 Discovery 4 SE SDV6
Past: 97 D1 Tdi, 03 D2a Td5, 08 Kimberley Kamper, 08 Defender 110 TDCi, 99 Defender 110 300Tdi[/SIZE]
Does that also have anything to do with the standardisation of ECU codes or whatever they are?
Cheers
Slunnie
~ Discovery II Td5 ~ Discovery 3dr V8 ~ Series IIa 6cyl ute ~ Series II V8 ute ~
MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa
There is no (technical) reason at all why ECUs (or any other car computers) should not produce explicit, human readable descriptions of problems together with suggestions as to the action to take to fix the problem, rather than "codes". The use of error codes is 1960s programming technology, not 21st century. The only reasons for not doing it are conservatism and an attempt to tie owners to dealers. When (not if) this approach is followed, many of the objections to the use of electronics are removed. Although there is still the sensitivity of electronics to water and electrical spikes, but both of these can be mitigated to a large extent by intelligent design.
John
John
JDNSW
1986 110 County 3.9 diesel
1970 2a 109 2.25 petrol
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