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    Heart vs. Head? (Defender or Rubicon?)

    Lease is coming to an end and I’m starting to think about replacement for Defender.

    So today I thought I'd take the next step and talk to a salesperson.

    Given that I was bagging the Jeep Rubicon I thought I better actually give it a fair appraisal. Jeep surely isn’t in the ballpark is it???? Mmmmm DiffLocks eh? Mmm Low range MMMmm Nice interior,MMMmmm Not a bad package for about the same dollars. (Head - 1 point)

    Took the 110 for a spin. Very nice – 2.4 pulls well from low revs, smoother and quiter than the Td5, 6th gear is nice, interior a bit neater and that heater .(Heart - 1 point)
    LR salesman couldn't give a flying fig about me. - Threw me a brochure and a price list.. said I'd have to wait 6 months, told me no chance of buying a new 90 (I don't think this is quite true if you believe the rumours) Kept looking at his watch….I spose he thinks the defender will sell itself. Spent a total of 3.52 minutes trying to sell me a car. What a joke!

    Opposed to this the Jeep fella was keen, well spoken, couldn't stop apologising about the 2 month delay wanted to give me the whole sales pitch - He wanted to sell me a car.(Head - 1 point) No time for a test drive of the Rubicon so I’m returning on Sat for a spin.

    Pound for pound I fear the Jeep comes out on top for a ready-to-go 4x4. (Just add some muddies and you’re off).

    I dunno..... I love my landys but……I'm starting to weaken. It seems Land Rover just aren't as committed as they used to be. Too many RRS and D3 sales to be interested in one or two measly defender sales.

    Test drive the Rubicon on Sat.

    Head 2, Heart 1

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    Yeah, I think I'm kicking myself I did not go with the Jeep. I love my landy's but......

    Xav

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    I think Jeep has come a long way since those horrible 90's models that have been kicking around since 1984, Landrover almost had a captive market but lost ground mainly due to their lack of customer service /focus.
    I have only seen a few rubicons on the road but they do look a bit like a defender - a purpose built offroader ready to go.
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    And the wrangler now has a nice little oilburner - 130kw, 400Nm

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    Make sure you get a good drive. They are a really nice vehicle to drive and become rather addictive.

    I quite liked the diesel but the petrol has a nice exhaust note.

    Xav

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    I didn't find the Jeep diesel too inspiring .. it felt a bit weak in the pants! Maybe I was driving like a girly man!
    Not sure if you want to live with the fuel bill if you go for the Rubicon but the offroad gear sure is nice.

    If after sales is important to you ditch the Defender and go the Jeep.

    In the end it doesn't matter, both are in the same class of no frills 4WD so you will be happy either way and you will get the same amount of dust inside the cab

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    sorry I don't get it... your head tells you the sales guy was more interested so that makes the car better? eh? Are you buying a car or asking for a date? He is just a bloke earning a wage, probably won't get his commission until after the vehicle is delivered, hence not interested in waiting 6 months for his wages!

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    G'day All, Just my tuppence worth, I'm not in the market for a new 4x4 at all, I will drive my 110 Isuzu County until it either dies or fuel is to bloody expensive, but in my humble opinion the jeep is the ugliest looking 4x4 ever assembled, even the rusky Gaz has more appeall, whoever did the design work on the body, must have worked with the nazi party back in the 30-40's, yes each to his own and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but Land Rover will do me cheers Dennis
    PS No I haven't looked inside one and I'm not going to either, my old 110 is 24 years old this coming November, no rust, original engine G/box etc built to last..

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    I have to agree, with the above. Bloody shocking to look at the new rubicon!

    Sure you get all the fancy stuff and the super bonus of lockers, but if you want a comfy suspension that isnt goin to **** you off I would be steering clear of the jeeps.

    Sure heaps of people think a defender is uncomfortable and agricultural, but compared to the jeep it is still the best for off road touring IMHO.

    If you buy the defender you may 'think' you should have bought the jeep, but I can almost guarantee if you buy the jeep you will wish you bought the fender, even if you do the whole hidden feelings in the closet thing and try to deny it.

    I know what I would be buying!
    I rule!!!

    2.4" of Pure FURY!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EchiDna View Post
    sorry I don't get it... your head tells you the sales guy was more interested so that makes the car better? eh? Are you buying a car or asking for a date?
    Fair point EchiDna. I think it's one of those "first impressions" things. If I'm gonna spend fifty odd grand I want him to spend some time and explain things to me. Pop the bonnet...Talk torque curves...anti stall...6 speed g'box.....is the 2.4 ford motor "up to it" or is it just a transit van motor dropped into a deefer to meet EU requirements....trade in value of my 90....yeah I did want a date, a coffee and he's paying...
    I'd never stepped foot in a Jeep dealership before but walked in off the street and made to feel welcome and encouraged to come back.

    Before I purchased my 90 I was offered a demo for the weekend to "get it dirty" and see if I liked it. I was encouraged to remain part of the land rover family etc. This guy made me feel like I was wasting his time.

    Dinty, I gotta agree with you there. The Jeep aint all that pretty with those big plastic flares and front bumper bigger than Roger Ramjets chin.

    Grimace, Thanks for the "heads-up" on the ride. I'll try and hit a few curbs

    Greylandy, agree on the fuel cost of the petrol but with the way diesel prices are going it aint as much of a difference as it once was.

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