4 car thieves died

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

ummm, can I ask all the parents to take a good look at the games their children are playing on their computers or game consuls......have you seen the latest Grand Theft Auto game?
there is a saying that what the mind of man concieves it can equally achieve... grand theft auto is just one of so many platform "games" condoning theft, lying, cheating, stealing, unbelieveable violence and equally expilicit bloodshed and destruction......and then theres television .....dont get me started

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ok a bit off topic but that game and others like it are rated ma15+. so no-one under 15 is allowed to purchase it, rent it, nor play it. of course people under that age play it, but i guess that brings us back to upbringing/law abiding, etc.

i am a huge believer in nurture winning over nature. it's sad what happened to those kids on a human level. but i and all the people i associated with from say age 6-11(4 differernt primary schools in country SA) all knew what we were getting ourselves into if we did anything remotely wrong. i never stole cars, had fights, or anything that is considered criminal or really wrong. i recall trying cigarettes in yr4. i knew full well it was bad for me, that if my parents found out i'd be in very big trouble, but i still wanted to try it-once. i also knew that cars were fun, i could drive and always looked forward to getting the chance. but more importantly, i knew that it was someone else's property and never even entertained the thought of stealing.

kids at the age(s) that the 4 that died are very much socially aware of their actions and the points of view from both their own and of the victims. its sad that as a society people are regressing at nearly the same rate as out knowledge is increasing. i'm 26, so i'm hardly having a "back in my day" moment. but i'm aware enough to see sadness and negativity of today- irrespective of any other decade.

Most people seem to be focusing on the 10 years olds.
I can understand why. The younger a person is, the greater the sense of loss if they die.

However I notice (if the newspaper reports are accurate) that the car contained two 17 years olds (one of whom survived), a 15 year old, an 11 year old and a 10 year old.

While there seems to be some disagreement about the extent to which 10 year olds are conscious of notions of right and wrong, I think most of us would accept that 17 year olds should know the difference.

It doesn't make it any less of a tragedy, but I think the debate is a little dishonest if we don't acknowledge that there were two 17 year olds and a 15 year old involved.

Do 10 year olds know right from wrong?
Well I have a 5 year old that certainly knows what he can get away with and what is wrong.
He knows he has to earn respect from others, whether that be from his teachers or his soccer coach. He also knows that if he doesn't respect them, then they won't respect him it all.

Did the kids deserve to die?
I don't think so, but they do deserve to be brought up knowing right from wrong!
Why is it always from the same demographic that these accidents happen, and that same demographic deny any responsibility, always claiming they were good kids and we are good parents. A good parent would have these kids in bed at this time.

My wife and I have differing views on this, and apparently I'm an uncaring unsympathetic *****.

I'm just glad the police and an innocent motorist weren't involved.

Greg

1st I am not racist
I have Aboriginal, Mid Eastern, Negro, Anglo Saxon, European & even the odd Yank friends. It,s not the colour of the skin that matters, but the colour of the heart.
I went to school, worked & socialised with Indiginous Australians, or Abos as we used to call them. NOT an insult (given or taken), a term of acceptance as in Simpson was Simmo, Clarke was Clarkey & MacAnything was Macca.
Scum is not predudice either, it comes in black, white & brindle.
Regardless of skin colour kids will not respect anyone, anything or themselves
unless they are taught to, the best teacher is example. The example has to start with self respect. Irrespective of ethnic origin all should be proud of their background & maintain the esteem of such.
The bleeding heart lefties from Sydney/Melbourne/Brisbane should visit Aurkun, Cairns, Alice, Normanton or Port Hedland. These are places I have first hand experience with, where varying percentages of Indiginous Australians let the decent "abos" down dismally.

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Originally Posted by 303gunner

No, the Police should be out at the scene and MAXIMISING THE IMPACT.

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This coment stands out the most as no matter which way you look at it the 4 of them are now gone and its all of there own doing they all knew it was wrong to steal the car they all knew it was wrong to go joy riding in it and they all would have known just how dangerous a speeding car can be ....

Maby if this senario was used as an example and used to show young people what can happen if you steel a car or joy ride in a stolen car with a iresopnsable driver that you are putting your life and others in danger maby just maby it may sink in to those who may have the urge to do such stupid stuff ...

Nothing sticks as good as seeing what happens to a mate who thought joyriding is good fun and that you should have a go untill you see that what he thought was so much fun has now ended his life before it even got a chance to grow maby the police ,comunity and the education system should push this into the younger generations face so they might think twice about doing such a stupid thing ....

then there will be the people who say its wrong to show such horrific images/videos/scenarios to young people. the same young people dying of drug overdoses, creating gangs, having underage unsafe sex, stealing cars, robbing late night stores, etc.

How interesting this conversation would be for the "do gooders" here.....

ie: "there only kids for godsakes" yeah mate but what if the tree had been your misses and your kids in there family car on the way home from school...still the same reaction, I think not..

Heritage, culture call it what you bleeding like..but do the crime, do the time....no matter what your blackground is.

All the little kids that die in Africa from famine don't have a chance..these little bastards did and chose to ignore it. G.A.D.A

Talking to a Psychologist mate and he says values are established by the age of 6-7. These kids new what they were doing was wrong, worst still is their parents, guardians and immediate family are the solely responsible members of our society who instilled these values, not politicians, police, teachers or you and I. Is loosing their children punishment enough, I believe so but what of the rest? There are do gooders bleating and squeeling about the intervention in NT, it should be extended to the rest of the country and include all Australians.

As well as the other freebies mentioned earlier, most who attend the funerals will not have to pay for fuel, accomodation, food etc to attend. I have a relative who works for a particular group, who actually pays all the funeral attendence costs and I might add gets called a racist white f...... c... if some claims dont meet guidelines.

Hmm, have been reading this thread over the last couple of days wondering whether to engage or not.......considering the topic matter. At 40 yrs of age and 5 children in our family from a 14yr old stepson, 11 yr old daughter, 10 yr old son and a 5 and newborn I do not buy into the following:

• Kids will be kids.
• Can't discipline your kids for this, that or whatever reason.
• Blaming Media, TV, Games
• That this situation is specific to a particular race or culture.

I grew up with a strict father, got the belt as punishment and other crap chores to do. I didnt back chat my parents...god forbid and all my mates were raised similiarly. I went to a private school, got caned in 5th grade for something that really was quite stupid, but none the less took the punishment. General punishment was caning, detention, physical punishment ie like a full back pack in cadet uniform boots etc and doing laps of the oval etc. Rarely if at all would a student back chat a teacher. There was no ADD, those that were "naughty" had the book thrown at them and it was soon knocked out of them. I look back and see where fellow class mates have gone into all sorts of professions and industries. Did all of them, no, but a bloody large majority did.

As a father I am strict, not to the extent of my old man, I took what was good and left the rest. Here, there is the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law, children were taught at a young age manners, respect, chores and the consequences of not following instruction. They have had their backsides paddled when needed or had some other form of enjoyment taken away from them. My 10 and 11 yr old definately know right from wrong.

Without being the "proud" father, I am constantly told how well behaved and mannered they are. They are growing up in a world of internet, TV, games etc but that doesn't mean that my responsibilities as a parent have changed. Average weekend they play outside, don't care what they do but it is not inside playing games etc. I let them know what movies or shows they can watch, there is no way on earth that I wouldn't know where anyone of our children are at any given time.

For sure when I was young, I made mistakes but I knew it was a mistake and wore the consequences....ditto my children, they are not angels, but when it comes to the crunch they choose the right path. Where do these morals and values come from............me, my partner and my ex, that is our job. Unfortunately not everyone holds the same values and morals........recent newlines with toddlers dying in prams......children found starving.......this one young children killed in a car accident.

In these cases we have to rely on as a society our schools.......well forget that in Public, teachers dont seem to have a leg to stand on...........Police......again dont seem to have a leg to stand on.......so we as a society have to suffer in different ways the spawn of those that couldnt give a rats about being a parent. I was looking at my beautiful 11wk old son last night and could not imagine how anyone could harm a baby, let alone raise a child with such little care.....it is beyond my comprehension.

As for race, statistically you will most likely find there is more "white scum" producing such lovelies, who are on the dole, who are living in housing commission or conversely are in lower to middle class area's who contribute to a problem that has been around since I was a kid, the difference being it was better controlled. Aside from the odd kid who may have some sort of "mental defect" the average child is like a computer chip...to the age of 2-3 they pick up on everything them around them.......that is the basis of who they will become. As they get older their parents, the environment they grow up in will only re inforce those attitudes and behaviours.

I think it is sad that 4 young people died, no doubt due to the environment they grew up in. That said, at that age they also knew what they were doing and in this case have worn the most extreme of consequences. The only light maybe if it changes the perspective of one other from where they are from to choose a different path,

Regards

Stevo

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Originally Posted by stevo68

I grew up with a strict father, got the belt as punishment and other crap chores to do. I didnt back chat my parents...god forbid and all my mates were raised similiarly.

As for race, statistically you will most likely find there is more "white scum" producing such lovelies

Stevo

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Due to your upbringing, you did not steal cars. Your Father would have killed you :eek:

Mine was the same.

The "white scum" would have no doubt been raised by "white scum".

Unfortunately, they are usually good breeders, all for the wrong reasons.