Is there a God?

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Originally Posted by x-box

My point exactly, then it is fact and not faith, and you have missed the whole point. Suppose people cured from cancer and severe osteoporosis is no evidence, or a person that has been in a wheelchair for 14 years that walks and runs either, or people born blind that sees again after 30-odd years does'nt happen? All after being prayed for, and a lot of it instantly, but if you're not there you won't see it and thus not believe. Pity. God is not into grandstanding and gives humans the free will to make choices.

As far as a helping hand goes wannalandy - you won't see it even if it hits you in the face - for you are a self-made man. Good philosophy to take all the credit for your success and blame all the tragedy in your life on God? Smacks of double standards in my opinion

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I'm more interested in reason than in faith, and I know that, viewed logically, the "God" theory is highly improbable. As Richard Dawkins points out, for those who haven't read "The God Delusion", there could be teapots orbiting the earth. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean they're not there. But it's very, very unlikely. Your evidence is not evidence at all. You're merely drawing your own conclusions to suit the things that you want to believe without any factual basis. Why is it a pity that I don't believe? Does that somehow make it less real for you? Frankly I think it's a pity when people choose to abandon reason and logic (or worse, contradict and undermine science).

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Originally Posted by wally

Your evidence is not evidence at all. You're merely drawing your own conclusions to suit the things that you want to believe without any factual basis. Sorry but what i said is that i have seen and know people that have actually seen certain things happen that goes so far against locig and/or science that it's not even funny - yet it happened Why is it a pity that I don't believe? not at all - your choice - but ever try to read books to the affirmative and not the negative? you seem to only read stuff that proves God not to exist Does that somehow make it less real for you? no, not at all Frankly I think it's a pity when people choose to abandon reason and logic (or worse, contradict and undermine science) this point we can discuss till end of time - for the record i also like science, it has it's uses. And i think it's a pity when people can't accept things that are a bit out there, but still has heaps of facts and proof anyway. Same as your science can prove certain things - just so it cannot disprove other things .

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I will leave it at this now - before we start a war :cool:

Thank goodness we live in a society where we can air our views and continue to drive Landrovers

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Originally Posted by wally

Fair enough. People do good things because they are good people and not because of religion. Those people would no doubt still be caring people with the same honourable intentions in the absence of religion.

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I agree and unfortunately perhaps some would have achieved even more goodness if they had not joined a religion.

This is going to be interesting!

At least I believe it will.

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I'm an atheist, but it's not by choice.


























It's the way God made me.

Religion causes war :(:( I'd believe there is but there are many variables:eek: Never seem to find time to worry about it to much;)

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Originally Posted by x-box

My point exactly, then it is fact and not faith, and you have missed the whole point. Suppose people cured from cancer and severe osteoporosis is no evidence, or a person that has been in a wheelchair for 14 years that walks and runs either, or people born blind that sees again after 30-odd years does'nt happen? All after being prayed for, and a lot of it instantly, but if you're not there you won't see it and thus not believe. Pity. God is not into grandstanding and gives humans the free will to make choices.

As far as a helping hand goes wannalandy - you won't see it even if it hits you in the face - for you are a self-made man. Good philosophy to take all the credit for your success and blame all the tragedy in your life on God? Smacks of double standards in my opinion

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Hmmmmmmm , double standards ....... Funny how when something good happens it's the work of "God" ....... And something bad happens it's the work of the devil ?????

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Originally Posted by Scouse

I'm an atheist, but it's not by choice.

It's the way God made me.

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:lol2::Rolling::clap2:

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Originally Posted by x-box

I will leave it at this now - before we start a war :cool:

Thank goodness we live in a society where we can air our views and continue to drive Landrovers

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Nobody's starting a war:angel:. It's a discussion - and one that's worth having. The last thing we need is for it to be a subject that's so sacred that we can't discuss it without offending somebody.

You're right. It's wonderful to live in a society where we can express ourselves freely and drive Land Rovers. Both are rights that I couldn't live without.