Thread: Toyota Prius vs Jeep Patriot fuel consumption

1 Thats determination
2 Alternatives such as bio use water (and lots of it to grow crops) we don't have enough now, we won't be going bio mainstream. The point is at the present there is no alternative on the scale of petrol that we can sustain (we can't even sustain petrol)
(Google petrol shortages) I think the geologist will win over the economists on this one (the alternatives will be there but expensive and in short supply)
3 A prius is an electric vehicle (a team at Sydney uni has converted theres to plugin)
Maybe the mod of the future??
4 Yes access to water has been the impetus for a lot of aggressive land grabs in the past, I certainly hope we don't get to that stage.

Steve

With wanting to inflame things, my Mazda 6 diesel gets 6l/100 (and I can't be ar$ed driving economically), it meets the latest euro emissions standards and it's cheaper than the prius.

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

NAME THAT CAR!!!!

Looks like a 180B SSS

Originally Posted by moose

With wanting to inflame things, my Mazda 6 diesel gets 6l/100 (and I can't be ar$ed driving economically), it meets the latest euro emissions standards and it's cheaper than the prius.



Looks like a 180B SSS

Called into Hyundai dealer the other day to get a price on an I30d to replace the Carolla and they are getting into the 5's on the Hwy and I think it was 6.8 max, average was 6l/100kms.

We car get into the mid 6's with the Carolla now so not really worth $27k to change over for now.

I think that the power co.s should be looking at mounting solar panels on every possible roof they can.

This would provide a fair chunk of green power to replace dirty power from coal and then put in a powered lane on our fwy's so that cars like the Prius can drive to and then hook up like a tram and drive in to town and back on elec not bothering anyone.

I doubt that a solar network would cover it but it is a non envasive way of making clean power that doesnt require a large amount of man power to maintain.

Then with wind and hydro we would be on the way to covering a fair chunk of the power produced by coal now.

There is also the possability of small Hydro stations on storm water and sewage pipelines which is being used by some golf courses and parks in the UK and US at the moment to offset their power usage.

There is no getting past it though, the Prius is a waste of money and does very little for the enviroment than give the owners a warm and fuzzy feeling when they say they are looking after the enviroment by spending way too much money on driving a prius.

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

but all it does is go round and round???

this does too,, but also straight!


http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/rea...actice_med.avi

I'll take this induction noise over my V8 any day---


and --

NAME THAT CAR!!!!

240 K COUPE Datto

Following from McRover's post, in my view a lot could be done to encourage households to install solar collectors. Apart from the fact that going to solar hot water would make a substantial decrease in power use, encouraging installation of photo-voltaic collectors to supply the house and sell extra power to the grid has the advantage that it would forestall the need not only to build new coal fired power plants, but also reduce the need to upgrade the network. These exist at present, but the biggest disincentive is that currently they sell power back to the grid at base load rates - even if the power is supplied at peak times. With smart meters there is no need for this.

As far as fuel supplies go, Australia at least has vast supplies of natural gas, including coal bed methane. It also has even more vast supplies of coal, which can be transformed to synthetic natural gas or coal to liquid processes such as Fischer-Tropsch, or gasified in-situ. This technology is in place today, being used to some extent, for example coal to liquids is being used in South Africa, having been established during sanctions, and there are coal to diesel plants and in-seam gasification on an experimental basis in the USA. The only problems are cost and carbon emissions - but to say that fuel will become unavailable in the foreseeable future is inaccurate. Expensive, yes.

John

PS I do not supply power to the grid, but run entirely on solar and wind power, so I do know a bit about it. There is at least one solar installation locally that supplies surplus to the grid.

Hybrid cars, ok today any of the major car manufactures could produce a Toyota corolla sized electric car with 200 Klm range for about 35K, that would need an 8 hour charge time or a 4 hour on a gen set. Its here now,
Also why is the Australian government blocking the import of the all electric ( smart car size) car from India? Retail about 11K here range 120 klm.
France produces 80% of its electricity from nuclear stations; a year’s production produces a refined waste the size of a pound of butter once sealed.
Regenitive breaking provideds much more than just 2-4 % charge back to the battery pack. The hard bit is the batteries can not be charged that fast. Use capacitors, end of problem.
Just like the 70s fuel price hike today’s fuel price hike is manufactured, propaganda just misinforms us into believing what we are being told. I the 70s it produced fractionalized banking; this time around it is a balance struggle between a couple of governments and the banking institutes, looks like the governments have won.

Err I drive a disco V8 - what ecomony

What fuel crisis

What global warming



Blythe

Originally Posted by blitz

Err I drive a disco V8 - what ecomony

What fuel crisis

What global warming



Blythe

Your a real freind to the enviroment