Thread: Massey Ferguson 28 - Info Needed

just a tip,make sure you have a decent coolant in the motor,my dads block rusted in half because of no coolant.From what's left of my memory. The vanguard,s engine dowells are different but the internalls are the same,

Originally Posted by Jock The Rock

Thanks for all your help fellas greatly appreciated. i may get a chance to get some pics up tomorrow if i get a chance.

i never knew about the 20 or 28 info; learn somethin new everyday

Thanks

Jock

PS its a bloody good forum this one post something up and u dont get anyone telling you where to stick ur tractor just plain old info and help
(which is all im after). in all seriousness thanks

Well now go and STICK your tractor......
















































































.......In the shed and fix it

Somewhere I saw info that the Fergy and early Landys gear box were made by David Brown, so apart from boath being British they have something in common.
Apart from the black Fergy, which I dont think there are any in OZ, which had a 20hp sidevalve Contental engine in it the others had a Coventry engine, Vangard used these also as did others. Early ones had a 80mm bore 23.6hp and later ones a 85 mm bore at around 28 hp on a good day and feeling good !
There was a diesel version , make not sure possibly Perkins.
A TVO which was a Coventry with a kero conversion.
There is a casting date on the rhs below ths seat on the verticle bit .
The last two numbers are the year. You can also go to the Ferguson web site and there is a list of serial numbers with the year of manufacture. Been a long time since I had a look but assume it will still be there.

Cheers

Rob

A mate of mine reckoned his Ferguson was a 28, and it was a French model. The main difference he pointed out was the brakes. TEA20s (and derivatives) and 35s had outboard drum brakes, while his 28 had inboard wet discs (I think - I could only see the outside of the case).
TED20s (diesel engined - please forgive me if I have the numbers wrong) had a four cylinder engine, though I'm not sure it was a Perkins. Ferguson (and later MF) 35s, especially the 35X, used the 152cuin 3cyl Perkins, as did the later 135s.
There was a Ford sidevalve-engined Ford-Ferguson N2N, but this was before the TE20s and the famous Ford vs Ferguson court battle. I also recall a Ford V8 engined tractor called the 9N (feel free to correct me) which I think was an aftermarket kit.
I almost have as much fun rivet-counting old Fergusons as I do Land Rovers.

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

Originally Posted by dandlandyman

A mate of mine reckoned his Ferguson was a 28, and it was a French model. The main difference he pointed out was the brakes. TEA20s (and derivatives) and 35s had outboard drum brakes, while his 28 had inboard wet discs (I think - I could only see the outside of the case).
TED20s (diesel engined - please forgive me if I have the numbers wrong) had a four cylinder engine, though I'm not sure it was a Perkins. Ferguson (and later MF) 35s, especially the 35X, used the 152cuin 3cyl Perkins, as did the later 135s.
There was a Ford sidevalve-engined Ford-Ferguson N2N, but this was before the TE20s and the famous Ford vs Ferguson court battle. I also recall a Ford V8 engined tractor called the 9N (feel free to correct me) which I think was an aftermarket kit.
I almost have as much fun rivet-counting old Fergusons as I do Land Rovers.

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

I dont know about the French models etc but as far as the Ford Fergusons go, they were in together as Ford wanted the Ferguson 3pl system and Ferguson wanted Fords more powerful engines to be able to sell more tractors in the US.

A couple of companies made conversion kits for ford 6cyl engines and V8's.

The legal action came when ford decided to split from the relationship yet kept using the 3pl patented ferguson system.

Bit of info here Ford 8N Funk Conversions and a bit more here http://www.staufferv8.com/

Jock, I made a blew re dateing, the cast no I refered to should be the last number. ie on mine it has 22 _ 10 _ 2 which means it was cast on the 22nd of October 1952 , hope that helps.
The Ford one mentioned was not what I was refering to , Harry Ferguson s first Ferguson was indeed the Black Ferguson , it did look a bit like the ford one but much smaller, there is one on display at the Agricultual Meuseum at Reading in UK for all to see. It was produced in small numbers in the mid to late 1940s, these are very rair tractors and worth an arm and a leg to colectors.

Cheers
Rob

I am sure Ferguson used the Standard Vanguard petrol engine, and the diesel Ferguson was a dieselised version of the same engine with considerable internal differences. Jim Cross of Brisbane speedway midget fame used a Vanguard diesel block and petrol head in a midget in the early 50's. The diesel had a quite different crank and main bearing design much like the big Offenhausers and was stronger than the petrol engine bottom end, hence Cross's use of it for a high compression methanol speedway engine.

The little gray Fergie came with only one spanner, This spanner fitted ( double ended) every nut and bolt on the tractor including wheel nuts. On one side it was a dip stick for the fuel tank and the other side was for measuring gauge for the width of ploughed furrows.
A few weeks ago I was at a wrecking yard and I looked in the tool box of a Land Rover and there was a rusty old spanner I nearly through it away, must get it out of the molasses tomorrow them I will have a nice shinny fergie spanner.

Hodgo