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    Need advice from those in the know

    A while ago we had a Staffy, got him from a pup and went to puppy school and was socialised etc he was a bueatiful dog, however in the back of my mind I knew these things were the ultimate killing machine and hoped he would be ok with our little dogs, at the same time we had a Choc Lab, one day I came home and found my prized Shihtzu stud dog had been killed, I instantly blamed the Staffy and had him destroyed that day I couldnt run the risk of any of our girls being killed, Its always been on my mind lately what if he didnt do it, could a Lab kill a small dog and this is my question, we moved the Lab on not long after as I wasnt sure it was entirely the Staffys fault, many I have spoken too have said its outof character for a Staff to kill one of his mates.

    My boys wanted another Staffy and against my better judgement we went out and got one but this is still on my mind, this little feller has come from parents who were family dogs and not from hunters, both parents were from homes who had other dogs and swear blind they had no probs with them, our last Staffy and my male Shihtzu were best mates, they slept together, ate together and spent all day lying on the roof of my Series 3 enjoying the sun, the only problem we had was when we had the mormon missionaries in for coffee and the Staffy lept of the landy in through the window via the fly screen and landed on the table in front of the mormons, they are probably still running!

    Am I being over cautious? Could a Lab do what happened, I dont want to go through the heart ache of losing more dogs, I just dont know what to think, any Staffy owners here?

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    Very out of character for a Staffy.
    They are bar none one of the best dogs with kids.
    I have had 3 and many more friends have had them without a single drama. So far amongst peers that make statements of Staffy attacks they have not been able to substantiate that it was a pure bred staffy in any cases.
    Of course they can do damage if goaded or trained to fight. Did you ever think the ****zu may have actually started it? IMHO ****zus are one of the most aggressive and territorial dogs I have ever seen (parents have one as do a few others I know). They are called ****zus for a reason.
    Talk to your state Stafordshire association and may sure you get a purebreed.
    Any dog can turn, you just need to look for the warning signs and take precautions.
    I know when we go to mum and dads place the ****zu is the one who attacks the staffy. If the Staffy did retaliate it would take the ****zu out in a minute due to their power, not their agression. But after a few minutes they are good mates, but occassionally the ****zu turns and gets narky.
    Even Pit Bulls to a lesser extent are maligned (would not leave one with young kids, not because of their agression but because of their power if they do turn. Usually from being baited or trained as a fighting dog.
    German Shepherds are in fact the worst and ****zus are not far behind. I did quite a bit of research a couple of years ago when the issue flared up on this site. The only country that keeps official records is Germany and bull terriers as a group came in 6th for attacks and this is all varieties of bull terriers where as every other dog was in its own categories. If you break it down honestly Staffy's come near the bottom for attacks. I can not remeber the site but I spent a bit of time researching this and news reports on alledged Staffy attacks. Out of 30 odd reports I researched that the media stated Staffordshire Bull Terrier attacks only one was actually a Staffy and it was a medium range attack on a child that actually tormented the dog and was left alone with the dog for extended periods. The rest were infact Bull Terrier crosses, mixed breeds that ahd no bull terrier in them at all, Pit Bull crosses, Pit Bull hunting dogs, one pure bred american bull terrier (different from the american staffordshire bull terrier) and two domestic pure breed pit bulls.
    I would have a Staffy in a minute, but make sure it is a family dog. You generally can pick their nature within 5 minutes of meeting them.
    Oh and get a female, better temprement again.
    I obviously can not say your Staffy did or did not kill the ****zu but it is just as likely thel ab or both of them teaming up as this does happen in packs especially when you get to 2 or more dogs and is a dominance thing. As you have stated they were mates so may have been the lab, but normally labs are good too, but may have been an alienation thing or something else altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    Craig, if you spelled Shih Tzu correctly, it wouldn't end up as stars!
    Thanks Ron.
    I was waiting for that. I spell it the way it should be spelt because that is what they are.
    Used to have a girlfriend a long time ago that had one that would not let me near her, but was OK when I used to play with him as long as he had the attention.
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    We have had a Staffy for almost 10 years and have had no trouble with it attacking our neighbours dogs. It will chase and kill rabbits though, but has been trained to do so as they are a pest around here from time to time.

    He absolutely adores children and has never shown any aggression towards any human.

    Our daughter and her husband who live in the NT also have a Staffy and also they have 3 young orphaned wallabys which they are hand rearing. The Staffy sleeps alongside the wallabys during the day and allows them to climb all over her.

    If you treat your dog with love and train it from a young age, you should be OK.

    The advice given by CraigE is excellent - contact the Staffordshire Assc. for expert info.

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    I've never heard of a dog raised from a pup with other older dogs becoming the "alpha" male/female, they always remain subordinate.I've had Bullmastiffs, Rotties, Dobermans etc. over the years and have always had small breeds at the same time with no problems.My late 3 kg mini foxie bitch was the boss of my 40kg Mastiff X bitch, my dingo bitch and my Jack Russel dog til the day she died.The dingo then became boss as she was next oldest, then after she died, the jack russell is currently lord of the manor.Labs get a gentle reputation due to the guide dog thing and that most of them are overweight slobs, people forget that they are a large breed hunting/retrieving dog, no different to a GSP, Weirmaraner or for that matter Greyhound or Borzi, my moneys on the Lab being the culprit.
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    i have had cockers, staffys, rottys and shepherds and while i love the staffys nature, all the shepherds/rottys have been better kids dogs than the staffys.

    i dislike labradors and kids, i have seen a few turn.

    a couple of mates have always had retired greyhounds and i have to say they are one of the nicest animals i have ever come across when in a family situation

    i would never leave a small child (under 7) alone with any breed of dog or size, they can turn too quickly.

    i am on my last big dog, a rotty / sheperd cross with 12+ years under his belt. his only fault is he can not tolerate someone with low iq points. he will bail them straight up.

    he dotes on my 3 grandchildren but i would never leave them alone with him.
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    G'day Folks

    After being involved with Breeding, Showing and Obedience for over 25 years, I have seen some nasty temperment Labradors it is an unwanted problem in some purebed lines, the purebred Staffordshire is usually a very even temperment animal, BUT any dog can become aggressive if provoked by humans or other animals, small breeds can be very aggressive, I was once told by a Vet that if a Chihuahua was the size of a Great Dane that we would all be carrying loaded shotguns, other dogs with short fuses are Terriers,-Scots,Welsh,Skye,Fox,Airedale,these dogs are bred for hunting small animals, the much maligned Australian Cattle Dog can be short tempered, Reds more that Blues, but, he was breed to work, guard the owner's possessions," home,horse/car Children" and anybody that comes to close will be nipped,(we have been nipped when chastising our young ones when the dog's around) if purchasing a replacement dog check with the puppy vendor the temperment of BOTH parents,and purebreed is more predictable that crossbreeds.

    I would advise not to purchase from a Pet Shop, as they have no knowledge as to where they come from,and what the parents are like, it is a sale item to them at a good profit.


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    I have had a range of Dogs

    Currently I do have the ****zsu ... They are a good dog to have if you dont mind & understand thier aggressive nature ... This one is dominant and has no idea about socialization with other dogs .. It always goes off at other dogs // and the bigger the animal .. the more it goes off

    They do not like to socialize with other animals and have a tendency to be peed off and nip them if they get too close ... The case of chitzu being innocent? ... more like it started it

    They are tough as nails, pigheaded, and think that they are Rottweilers ... I take this one Bush .. and it just goes off ... You do not want to be rounded up with a pack of these dogs ..they will take you ankles out like a pack of Parana's

    They are good with children and adults ... But can be mongrels ... I would not suggest that they are suitable for around babies at all



    Staffies are one of the most gentle animals going ... Just great big sooks
    Labradors are great dogs ... but can turn when peed off
    Rottweilers are a fantastic family pet ... they protect the family with vigor and ador small children
    Dobermans ... same deal

    I go to many different homes throughout the year as part of my job ... and meet many dogs on the properties ... I have a 6th sense and know what to do and react with them ... And I have never been bitten and only 3 Dogs have ever made me stop and take notice .. and thats because they where trained to stop strangers



    I was quite taken back with what had happened with your dogs ... In my opinion only ... The ****zu had it coming

    PS ... I did not write the dogs name with the *** bit ... the swear check has cancelled it ... because of the spelling?

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    I agree with most of the advice that has been posted here.

    Although I think it quite possibly been either dog that started the attack on your Shih Tzu. All it takes is a dissagreement over a bone or a toy and it's all on.

    I have an American Staffordshire Terrier, and at times have had 3 at home looking after them. I had 2 for around 12mths. Siska is the oldest and is an extremly dominant bitch. She ruled the house when the others were there. I never left them together outside if I wasn't home, and never left bones outside either. They still ended up having a scrap one day and Siska nailed the boy I was looking after. They were best mates, always sleeping together, playing etc. So it can and does happen.

    Siska has an extremely high prey drive and is also extremely inquisitive. She is also one of the best dogs that I have seen around childern. She absolutely adores them. While these breeds of dogs were originaly bred for dog fighting they were also bred to have no human aggression. That is where alot of people make mistakes. They consider Dog/Animal Aggression the same as Human Aggression. It's not. They are two very different things.

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