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Good on ya common sense prevails you are spot on, for example when visitors are allowed on our property my dog is always excited to greet them and sometimes forgets herself and props her front paws on them for support in order to get a fuss, that is a perfect opportunity for me to instruct the person to make her sit and take control of her which calms her done and indicate that she is less in the order of thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by solmanic
One can only go by the caption alongside the picture on the ABC online article on my earlier post. "The cross-breed bull mastiffs were put down this morning." There does not seem to be any ambiguity in the reference to breed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoTDI
Unfortunately even your reference to temperament suggests children, let alone non-family children, not being left alone with such a large dog with a potential to do serious damage.
It is all very tragic and terrible for all families involved, however there are some breeds and cross breeds of dog that have no place being family pets, lest it is to protect someones drug manufacturing plant or ego.
Diana
that is ambiguous how can you determine that the bull mastiff element of the dog was to blame ?
when there is at least 50% something else in the animal .....long legged pug maybe ?
why a large breed at 5 i tormented the hellout of my grandads 14 year old sheep dog under the table the dog was placid i kept pulling her tail, she snapped at me but i caused the reaction never went near it again lucky for me i was clued on 33 years ago
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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Where does it say a potential to do serious damage, or is that an assumption?Quote:
The Bull mastiff gets along extremely well with children and is very loving towards them. Parental supervision must be maintained when they are with children; they may knock smaller children down accidentally because of their large size.
And if we are assuming that the statment means more we had better not put our kids in a bed as a fall out of bed has the potential to do serious damage
Plus the quote from the media really does not have merit when it comes telling us precise details, for example in Townsville on new years day the cinema was evacuated due a "FIRE", in newspaper the next day it reported on how the brave fire fighters put out some small fires in the building. Now for the truth, I was having a BBQ with my mate and his pager went off calling him to work, he went to said cinema and a coolant pipe had burst in the aircon filling the place up with mist, he told the fire fighters which valves to turn off and then proceeded to fix the aircon. We know for a fact that there were no flames in that building and so did all media that night yet it makes for a better story. Same for dog attacks, Bull Mastiff sounds better than weird inbred mongrel. I am not doubting that the dog may have had Bull Mastiff in it but its the other breeds that are mixed in.
My point out of this is that way too much emphasis is put on the breed of dogs, no one reports how many children are taken to emergency because they have been bitten by a neurotic Terrier or Jack Russell. I have a Cavalier King Charles spaniel as well and even though I dont believe the dog has the ability to be mean let alone have the intelligence to breath doesn't mean I am complacent with it. More emphasis needs to be put on the owners to take responsibility for their animals.
If your quote "Their protective instinct combined with their great size and natural wariness of strangers means that early socialization is a must. Generally Bullmastiffs do not get along well with other dogs, because of their instinct to be dominant. A male Bullmastiff should not live with another male dog. Bitches in heat should not be taken on walks, because other dogs will be attracted to them, and they will not like it. The Bullmastiff gets along extremely well with children and is very loving towards them. Parental supervision must be maintained when they are with children; they may knock smaller children down accidentally because of their large size. A Bullmastiff, because of its history, is a very independent dog, and likes to make its own decision. However, with good training, a Bullmastiff will look to its owner for "permission" to act on its instincts. Dominance must be established over a Bullmastiff as soon as possible; a human cannot live with a Bullmastiff that is dominant over them." with particular reference to the bold sections can not be paraphrased as "a potential to do serious damage" then you live on a different planet to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoTDI
And yes a fall out of bed has the potential to do serious damage. That is why we put babies and infants into cots with sides and not into beds without sides.
Diana
first up i'd like to say that i'm gutted to hear this news and my heart goes out to all involved.
we've got a couple of rotty's and i've grown up around this breed of dog but unfortunately the masses think that were also some kind of trashy nutter's with killer dogs.
yes most large dogs were initially bred for hunting but so were a lot of smaller breeds - just different size meals at the end.
if you speak to anyone that actually has or has had a so called nasty breed of dog then i'm sure that 99% of them will get quite defensive and tell you that your speaking a load of ****. this isn't because they're liars it's because they know what they're talking about cos they had real life experiences.
the media does nothing to help with peoples attitudes reporting these cases in the way that they do but unfortunately that's life.
if every dog attack was reported then i'm positive that these larger breed would be somewhere down the bottom of the list in regards to numbers.
it's a known fact that lab's bite more children than any other breed of dog.
"little dog" owners do my ****ing head in. it's always the little cute one that'll start the aggresive behaviour but nothing ever gets said cos you laugh it off. small dogs get away with a lot more aggresive behaviour because of their size.
i went to the vet with one of my rotty's two days ago and there was a little dog that wanted to "take mine on". luckily for that person mine are very placid and she ignored it and sat down - the owner of the other dog looked at me, laughed and said " your's would probably eat mine ". then off she went with a "c'mon, good boy". this is typical of "little dog" owners and make for a much nastier dog
as for the guy who kicked his neighbours dog in the nut's - i hope you never get a large breed of dog - cos you sound like the type of person who give the rest of us a bad name.
i aploogise to those with little dogs that are responsible dog owners but unfortunately the majority are not
this incident is unfortunate but lets not condemn what is essentially a beautiful calm dog. if you own or intend to own one exercise it regular and often, let them know your the pack leader and all of it's pentupness will dissipate. obviously don't leave them alone with children because if the children are winding up the dog then the results can be horrific -but it's still not the fault of the dog.
Bull Mastiff's are a cross between a Mastiff and an english bulldogQuote:
Originally Posted by Santana
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Gotta tell you the though of crossing a pit bull with a mastiff is terrifying:)
Hey Taff, mate think thats a little unfair...the dog at hand was ripping another dog apart...I think a belt in the nuts was the least he could do. I have done the same when I malamute jumped our fence and went toe to toe with my shepherd...he didnt really need a hand but by all tokens wasnt going to risk any more damage and that malamute copped a steel capped boot in the nads and guts..it quickly retreated,Quote:
as for the guy who kicked his neighbours dog in the nut's - i hope you never get a large breed of dog - cos you sound like the type of person who give the rest of us a bad name.
i aploogise to those with little dogs that are responsible dog owners but unfortunately the majority are not
Regards
Stevo
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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
I obviously live on a different planet because I like to read the whole story not just the highlighted parts.
Don't get me wrong I love dogs and I love many breeds of dogs, particularly the working breeds when they are used as working dogs. Kelpies and Border collies are particular favourates of mine. And yes I do have Pugs, but because my house mate loves Pugs, (I always thought they are a stupid breed).
However that has nothing to do with the current situation, I work in a children's hospital and decades of my experience have been in emergency departments or intensive care units and I have seen a lot of serious injuries caused by dogs.
None of the serious injuries have been caused by small breeds of dog.
The serious injuries (read: life threatening or major disfiguring injuries) have always been caused by large breeds: Rotweilers, Pit Bulls, Alsatians, Blue Heelers etc.
Children, should not be left unsupervised with large breeds of dogs, a child may approach a dog in an unfamiliar way, the dog snaps and the child gets bitten or knocked over. The child will then cry and this is confusing to the dog who may then attack the thing that is confusing to the dog, the other dogs join in and we end up in this terrible scenario where 3 or 4 dogs are euthanised.
These were most likely very friendly and passive animals. They always were, in each and every case where I have had direct contact with the injured child and frequently the dogs owner.
Diana
P.S. I am also a member of the Royal NSW Canine Council and consider myself a responsible dog owner.