Children mauled by dogs.

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Originally Posted by taff

"little dog" owners do my ****ing head in. it's always the little cute one that'll start the aggresive behaviour but nothing ever gets said cos you laugh it off. small dogs get away with a lot more aggresive behaviour because of their size.

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lol - very true... I've got nothing against small dog owners, but most of the small dogs I come across (w/ my Great Dane - avatar) go bloody mental.

Firstly, this was a terrible story...

Secondly, I have two nephews (a 2 year old & a 5 year old) and it's funny how different even brothers are with animals. The 2 year old will sleep on top of our Great Dane for hours, while the 5 year old couldn't care less about any of them. If you look after children & dogs and know them well, it's obvious which ones you do let & don't let mix (based on their personalities). While I admit to not knowing the full story (re. this particular tragedy), it appears that the news networks got it right for once - the comment about the 'Woomera' fence was also spot on.

geez we can get off topic can't we? :)

It's a tragic story yes, but the big thing IMHO is that by far the majority of large breed dog owners get their dogs for protection - either of their house or their workplace or for pigging etc. Not many get them as a family pet without wanting at least an element of perceived security or protection thrown in. Thus, if you are part of the pack (i.e. part of the family living in the same house) then you can hope to be protected, but if you are outside that group, you can expect to be tested out by the dog/s at some point. All breeds are bred to either kill, retreive or control movement of stock- we all know that, it's just many don't accept it.

I doubt even the most responsible purebred breeders maintain a bloodline of family pets and a bloodline for security work - they are one and the same and they have a vested interest in making a sale of their pups...

If you must have a big dog, buy a retreiver/pointer type, not a guard/fighting dog for a house with kids in it.

Its not the dogs fault, dogs are dogs, some are bred to be lap dogs some are bred to hunt.

In any dog attack it's the owner's fault not the dogs, personally I think 9 times out of 10 the owner should be put down.

I have owned a yorkshirre terrier, staffy, english bull terrier and 2 shepherds the most vicious of them all was the yorkey...he'd bite you for fun, my son was just a baby when we had the bulley, and no word of a lie the boy could do
anything to him poke him in the eyes pull his ears and tail and all the bulley would do was rolll over for a tummy tickle... that was until one day, the boy was out the back yard in his pram, the bulley was doing his normal laying at the bottom of the boy's feet at the pram, and the next door neighbour decided to jump the back fence to play a visit to my ex. Well, she never jumped the back fence again. The missus said as she got close to the pram, the hair on the back of the bulley just stood and the growl was something out of this world. The poor woman wouldn't move backwards or forwards until the missus came out and told the dog to sit. That created a bit of palava until I turned round and said she shouldn't have jumped the back fence.

One of the Shepherds baled a next door neighbour up where we live now. Had him rounded up well and truly. The only problem was, he was in my front yard, and so was my dog, and the dog had a right to be there and he didn't. So he was told where to go as well.

As I said in the beginning, dogs will be dogs. It's the owners that are to blame not the dogs. It fair gives me the poopies when people go on about savage dogs. It's not the bloody dog's fault, it's their owners.

Tony

I have been around dogs all my life from Labradors, pointers setters and a variety of pig dogs with various backgrounds and cross breeds from danes to bull terriers and cattle dogs.

The point is they are dogs and get treated as such with respect and caution. The problem these days, and it can be seen every night while watching the pet ads on TV is that people have apportioned human characteristics to dogs. "He is one of the family", "He sleeps with us in our bed", "Only the pedigree balanced nutritional brand food for my dog".

In the end a dog is a dog is a dog. I have loved them all but I draw the line at giving them more rights than people. In my line of work as a park manager, I have to provide leash free parks where the dog owners now have a go at other park users as they see it is their right to let Poopsie do what ever it likes even if that means having a go at kids in the park. They think that is OK and it is the little terrier and foxy owners who are the worst and ill behaved - just like their owners.

The death of that toodler is reminder that dogs can be aggressive and that if you take them for granted they can literally turn around and bite you.

A group of aggressive big dogs like cross bred pig dogs have no place being around small children - especially ones that are not familiar to them.

Oooohhh, this made me sick man. I read the article and all I could see was those poor little kids being flung around like rag dolls by those dogs. Then in the story it says that the little baby (I think 18 months old) was seen trying to crawl away from them, man I nearly bloody cried.:(:(:(

Now, I'll stand corrected here, but did I read it right in the article that the attack happened inside the house ... WTF ... how the hell did those kids end up in the house on their own and how did those damn dogs have access to the damn house. Also, did I read it right that the owners had to force open a door to get to the kids ... WTF ... what sort of set up were they running.:mad::mad::mad:

All dogs are capable of biting people, that is a fact, it is just that some dogs are worse than others, you do not have to be Sherlock Holmes to know that. I can tell you right now, there is abolutely not a snow flakes chance in hell that I would leave my beautiful kids (3yo and a new baby) with anyone who had a couple of dogs, let alone some mongrel bred things, not on your nelly. I'm glad the dogs got destroyed, I would have cut their heads off on the spot, the owner might at that time consider his geographical position and for his own health vanish.

Anyway, last night when I got home from work I checked on my kids, they were sleeping and looked so innocent. I watched them sleeping for a bit and I thought of those 2 kids and all i could think about was how much these little people rely on us and how much those little kids would have been looking for someone to save them. I know that I am not going to be able to protect them for every minute of the day but I'll make sure that I do everything in my power to minimise the dangers they are exposed too.

What a very sad sad thing ......:(:(

Jason

An update on the animals. According to Leeton Council, the dogs were not put down, they died from being sedated after the attack and their obese state. Killer dogs died, not put down: council - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

For those with dogs that would not leave there kids alone with them, why do you have them? These are your flesh and blood and being a parent there is no way in hell i would have a dog that i did not trust around my kids.
So the dogs got put down, big ****ing deal, what about the parents that lost their child, what happens to the stupid dog owners? they get a fine and loose their pet, they should get charged big time, its ****ing murder! No different to hitting someone with a car, or shooting someone. I just don't understand people trying to justify the animal:mad:


(this was not directed at anyone, just my opinion)

Typical media ... I find it hard to believe 3 dogs would all die on the same night from being sedated. Wouldn't be surprised it they were intentionally oversedated.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

An update on the animals. According to Leeton Council, the dogs were not put down, they died from being sedated after the attack and their obese state. Killer dogs died, not put down: council - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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Originally Posted by EchiDna

geez we can get off topic can't we? :)

<snip> ... I doubt even the most responsible purebred breeders maintain a bloodline of family pets and a bloodline for security work - they are one and the same and they have a vested interest in making a sale of their pups...

If you must have a big dog, buy a retreiver/pointer type, not a guard/fighting dog for a house with kids in it.

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I have to agree with you, there are breeds of dog which are great for living with families and retreivers are some of those, and there are working dogs.

The dogs currently in my family are a breed that have been bred as lap dogs since ancient times in China and you can see it in their behaviour. Yes they get excited when "visitors" come around but as for biting "never". Although that said even a pug running towards a child to give them a 'kiss" can be frightening to the child and may even knock a young child off their feet.

A long time friend breeds and trains security dogs. She will not sell to anyone who doesn't have a security licence and a need for a security animal.

It is all in being a responsible animal owner and/or breeder, and having breeds appropriate to one's need.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I have to agree with you, there are breeds of dog which are great for living with families and retreivers are some of those, and there are working dogs.

I know the dogs currently in my family are a breed that have been bred as lap dogs since ancient times in China and you can see it in their behavior. Yes they get excited when "visitors" come around but as for biting "never". Although that said even a pug running to wards a child to give them a 'kiss" can be frightening to the child and may even knock a young child off their feet.

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I also have a long time friend who breeds security dogs. She will not sell to anyone who doesn't have a security licence and a need for a security animal.

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It is all in being a responsible animal owner and/or breeder, and having breeds appropriate to one's need.

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what makes a good security dog? aggression?
how do you get that aggression? does it get bred into them? do they take their best aggressive male and bread it with their best aggressive female to make a GOOD security dog?