Thread: Children mauled by dogs.

You know what I wrote about half a page in reply to your post diana as I am particually opposed to people that breed and train security dogs.....but alas I have deleted it.

But what I was going to get to is there are to many people in this world breading from aggressive dogs or dogs that show aggressive tendancies. don't get me wrong its not just security people that do this
I have a friend that used to train attack dogs so i'm not personally digging at your friend.......IMHO the more we bread and train dogs to be aggressive the more we are asking for situations like this to occur!

I hear your point, however I do agree that there must be a place for all sorts of working dogs. Too many people breed and train aggressive dogs on a pretext that they are dogs for security. I fully disagree with that.

My friend breeds and trains security dogs, she doesn't want them to be aggressive because they become too hard to handle. In fact she is quite slight in her build so a large aggressive dog would be too much for her to handle. Her needs and it is her business, is for well trained security dogs not dissimilar to police dogs but for use in the private security industry. It is very important that the dog can catch and detain an offender without harming them, as any injuries sustained by an offender are likely to result in a civil claim for injuries. That is not in the interests of my friend or her customers.

However a patrol officer with a dog are far more likely to apprehend and detain an offender than a patrol officer by themselves with or without a gun. Having a security dog in a patrol also protects the patrol officer from being attacked by offenders.

I would never recommend any of her dogs as family pets however and I think that this is the point of this thread.

I believe this situation is an absolute tragedy, and something that could have been easily avoided.

I own one of the 'dangerous' breeds that have been mentioned in the last 5 pages. I believe that way to many people here have brought in the media hype and sensationalism. They will do anything to make a sale. I really expected more from the Land Rover fraternity.

For those that like to generalize about dog breeds and attacks I think you need to go and read a book called "The Pit Bull Placebo" by Karen Delise. While this book was written in the U.S.A it gives you actual statistics that you can look up yourself about dog attacks right through to 2005. Most will be amazed at the actual statistics of dog attacks and how they are reported.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I hear your point, however I do agree that there must be a place for all sorts of working dogs. Too many people breed and train aggressive dogs on a pretext that they are dogs for security. I fully disagree with that.

My friend breeds and trains security dogs, she doesn't want them to be aggressive because they become too hard to handle. In fact she is quite slight in her build so a large aggressive dog would be too much for her to handle. Her needs and it is her business, is for well trained security dogs not dissimilar to police dogs but for use in the private security industry. It is very important that the dog can catch and detain an offender without harming them, as any injuries sustained by an offender are likely to result in a civil claim for injuries. That is not in the interests of my friend or her customers.

However a patrol officer with a dog are far more likely to apprehend and detain an offender than a patrol officer by themselves with or without a gun.

I would never recommend any of her dogs as family pets however and I think that this is the point of this thread

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And I have been witness to these dogs getting into a normal family homes, because once they have done their job some are either left to rott in the yard (business yard I mean)

Or sold cheaply to unsuspecting, I dare say some uneducated and some that just feel guilty for the animal.

we often get people in with family's that come and kick kennel doors to see whether the dog barks at them and then tell us that they want it to protect the house or the kids or there business

I suppose I'm just trying to reiterate that a lot of the time it's not the dog but the circumstances in which they have been placed...

and as for the dogs have certain places, to a degree yes....but I don't think its as cut and dry as some people think

Boxers, Doberman, and Samoyed's are working dog breeds they are in there with the bull mastiffs the rottweilers the shepherds and these dogs are proven family dogs!!

a lot of these dogs have stigmas attached to them because we have taken them and placed them in situations that cause people to assume that they are bad.

In lew of this I would just like to say the best dogs I have ever worked with have been Pitballs they are unbelievably great with people! not so great with other dogs! but it is unfortunate for them that they as a breed got into the wrong hands

The worst and most unpredictable breed I have ever worked with is the Sharpei (a Chinese fighting dog originally) they are expressionless, suspicious and if not breed well quite aggressive yet still a favored family pet.........But I will also except there are nice ones out there too

like people said before I too believe to many people get caught up in media hype...still because of this you can guarantee that we will now get an influx of mastiff X's to the RSPCA....poor dogs that have been nothing but loyal family pets, the media said they are dangerous so it must be true.

These ones in question were but doesn't mean they all are

The ones that I find have the saddest lives are the greyhounds. If they don't race well and win they are euthanised. And similarly for security dogs if the handler won't take them after their working lives they are put down and worse still are the dogs left in car wreckers and similar yards.

Diana

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The ones that I find have the saddest lives are the greyhounds. If they don't race well and win they are euthanised. And similarly for security dogs if the handler won't take them after their working lives they are put down and worse still are the dogs left in car wreckers and similar yards.

Diana

exactly my point a lot of the time Diana we induce these dogs to do horrible things and they are the ones that suffer for it(not in this case but generally), dogs aren't happy when they are aggressive they are lonely and generally will live a life of solitude not nice for something that is naturally a pack animal.

all the ones you state above are the ones we most see in cruelty cases

Still we are straying more from the topic, and the topic being very tradgic.....I feel for the family and their great loss not nice for any parent

We deal with the greyhound, and racehorse industry at work. Fortunately I haven't seen anything untoward yet.

But I don't doubt that it happens. Unfortunately, I fear most animals are treated as possesions, and live sad lonely lives.

Originally Posted by dullbird

like people said before I too believe to many people get caught up in media hype...still because of this you can guarantee that we will now get an influx of mastiff X's to the RSPCA....poor dogs that have been nothing but loyal family pets, the media said they are dangerous so it must be true.

Thats where I got my Bull Mastiff x from