Thread: british passport

Originally Posted by ladas

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in actual fact you cannot revoke citizenship of great britain even if you wanted to.
but Australia can
And if you are a second rate Australian like me (imported) you can still lose your citizenship if you are bad enough, and get shipped back to the old country good job i am honest

Originally Posted by JBobScott

This is an awful comment and to be honest is almost racist and along the likes of love it or leave it stickers we see. Just because someone has two passports (which I have) does not mean anyone is less loyal to a country. My home is Australia, my children are Australia but I was born in the UK and am allowed to hold a UK passport which I use to enter and leave the UK, nothing more nothing less.

This quote by Philip should be removed.

further more as i quoted elsewhere you cannot revoke citizenship of the old country even if you wanted to, you can give up the burgundy book but !
Australia is the best country in the world why would you love it ?
does **** me off when i see the boguns of w.a. with their low I.Q. idea of patriotism f..k off we are full ( i think not! how many live in the desert not including camels ?) and love it or leave it ! i think if you didn't love why would you bother its a hell of a way from another country if you are driving

Originally Posted by D3Jon

Don't disagree with that...

But you first said:



Which I DO disagree with.

Jon

i hear ya john but then i believe to live here you should assimilate its the right thing to do!you shouldn't be all british and proud and be all god save the queen , i reckon attempting to be an Australian is the go even if you are not accepted and have to start flattening blokes when they call you a pom(even after taking citizenship getting the passport know all the verses to Australia fair and the batting/bowling average of some bloke) and swallowing the fact that there is price duality here in perth dependent upon where you were born ie: price for a starter on a disco 1 with a pommy accent $250 with an australian accent $150 ....in fact i believe it so strongly i am taking bogun lessons at night school
GO THE REPUBLIC!!!

Originally Posted by lardy

i hear ya john but then i believe to live here you should assimilate its the right thing to do!you shouldn't be all british and proud and be all god save the queen <snip>

Andy, you're missing my point... you have to read my earlier post as well, this has nothing to do with assimilation.

What I disagree with is the intimation in Phillip's quote (below) that anybody who holds dual citizenship is somehow dis-loyal to Australia. As I read his example (and it can't be much clearer when it's three statements separated by full stops in a single paragraph) he states that someone who maintains a British passport should go back to Britain.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I am dead against dual passports . You can only be loyal to one country. If you want to be a Brit, go live in Britain.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Just do not expect too much help from The Australian Embassy if you get into trouble travelling on another passport. The Consuls take a rightfully very dim view of people travelling on second country passports who come to the embassy for help or money.

When I was in Riyadh, an Australian vet was on a ship in the gulf that was hit by a couple of RPG7s. He wanted help to get off the ship and enter Saudi and called the Oz embassy, who told him to talk to the Brits seeing he was on a British passport. I think the Brits told him to talk to the Oz embassy.

I am dead against dual passports . You can only be loyal to one country. If you want to be a Brit, go live in Britain.

Same with all the Greeks who do military service there to ensure thay can own land. We shouldn't let someone back in who has done military service in another country. Who are they loyal to?
Regards Philip A

Just read this thred, are you for real...I'm a Pom born an raised in the UK, X british army, moved to OZ served in the ADF had to get citzenship to serve so according to you when I go back to the UK to visit my parents I should'nt be allowed back in...I'm british and dam proud of it I'm also Aussie by choice and dam proud of that too I think you should get over the fact we sent all our undesirables over here 200 years ago....And while I'm at it I am loyal to my queen and so should you be an if your not why dont you urinate off to some other banana republic

I also travel with dual passports as do my children even though they were born here they are still proud of there british heritage as should any proud aussie.

Tony

Just read this thred, are you for real...I'm a Pom born an raised in the UK, X british army, moved to OZ served in the ADF had to get citzenship to serve so according to you when I go back to the UK to visit my parents I should'nt be allowed back in.

Uh, I think you maybe have misunderstood what I said.

I said if you become a citizen of Australia and give the Oath of Alliegance, then you go to another country and give an Oath there , then which Oath is the relevant one?? Dual citizenship implies this in many cases.

Specifically I was referring to Greeks, and I stand by that. I guess these days ideas of nationalism and loyalty have been devalued, but these people have gone to another country and given an oath of alliegance, then return to Australia. At the very least they should give an oath to Australia when they return.
I do not care about what you did before you came. Presumably Immigration and ASIS checked into your background and decided that you were OK to get a visa and to become a citizen. And I presume and hope that you would be loyal to Australia, seeing your most recent and probably only oath was to Australia. Although I guess its pretty meaningless except that it would give a legal basis for prosecution.

If the situation was that you were an Australian , gained British Citizenship and joined the British army, and gave the oath, then hypothetically Australia went to war with UK, which oath would bind you?

I would think that the authorities in hypothetically the UK would consider you as a citizen, and if you acted for Australia against UK, you would be arrested for treason.

I also think it is the duty of immigrants to become citizens as soon as possible and not hang around for years on resident's visas. There are many UK citizens in australia, who never bothered to get citizenship although I think this has now been reduced by new visa regulations.

In the past except for the exception of the UK all immigrants were required to renounce the citizenship of their birth country. The UK was the exception because most of the population comes from there and there is this soppy sentimental attachment,despite the UK hanging Australia out to dry when they joined the EEC, and having Australians join the Aliens and Others queue at immigration.

Regards Philip A

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Uh, I think you maybe have misunderstood what I said.

I said if you become a citizen of Australia and give the Oath of Alliegance, then you go to another country and give an Oath there , then which Oath is the relevant one?? Dual citizenship implies this in many cases.

Specifically I was referring to Greeks, and I stand by that. I guess these days ideas of nationalism and loyalty have been devalued, but these people have gone to another country and given an oath of alliegance, then return to Australia. At the very least they should give an oath to Australia when they return.
I do not care about what you did before you came. Presumably Immigration and ASIS checked into your background and decided that you were OK to get a visa and to become a citizen. And I presume and hope that you would be loyal to Australia, seeing your most recent and probably only oath was to Australia. Although I guess its pretty meaningless except that it would give a legal basis for prosecution.

If the situation was that you were an Australian , gained British Citizenship and joined the British army, and gave the oath, then hypothetically Australia went to war with UK, which oath would bind you?

I would think that the authorities in hypothetically the UK would consider you as a citizen, and if you acted for Australia against UK, you would be arrested for treason.

I also think it is the duty of immigrants to become citizens as soon as possible and not hang around for years on resident's visas. There are many UK citizens in australia, who never bothered to get citizenship although I think this has now been reduced by new visa regulations.

In the past except for the exception of the UK all immigrants were required to renounce the citizenship of their birth country. The UK was the exception because most of the population comes from there and there is this soppy sentimental attachment,despite the UK hanging Australia out to dry when they joined the EEC,

and having Australians join the Aliens and Others queue at immigration.

Regards Philip A

we became citizens as soon as we could, but it doesn't excuse the fact that you said about holding dual nationality if you want to be a brit go back to britan........I personally felt very offended by that remark...only because there are many on here that say becoming an australian is a BLOOD thing not a paper thing....So in that case why should you believe that an english person should give up there only BLOOD attachment when truely they are probably not totally excepted into the place where they become citizens...

as for your second comment I dont really understand that as it took us just over 2 years to become a citizen...we joined the imigration que just like anyone else

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Uh, I think you maybe have misunderstood what I said.

Philip, with all respect I dont think I did you said, Quote We shouldn't let someone back in who has done military service in another country. end Quote

I said if you become a citizen of Australia and give the Oath of Alliegance, then you go to another country and give an Oath there , then which Oath is the relevant one?? Dual citizenship implies this in many cases.

No you did'nt this is what you said Quote,
Just do not expect too much help from The Australian Embassy if you get into trouble travelling on another passport. The Consuls take a rightfully very dim view of people travelling on second country passports who come to the embassy for help or money.

When I was in Riyadh, an Australian vet was on a ship in the gulf that was hit by a couple of RPG7s. He wanted help to get off the ship and enter Saudi and called the Oz embassy, who told him to talk to the Brits seeing he was on a British passport. I think the Brits told him to talk to the Oz embassy.

I am dead against dual passports . You can only be loyal to one country. If you want to be a Brit, go live in Britain.

Answered above.

Same with all the Greeks who do military service there to ensure thay can own land. We shouldn't let someone back in who has done military service in another country. Who are they loyal to?
Regards Philip A


Specifically I was referring to Greeks, and I stand by that. I guess these days ideas of nationalism and loyalty have been devalued, but these people have gone to another country and given an oath of alliegance, then return to Australia. At the very least they should give an oath to Australia when they return.
I do not care about what you did before you came. Presumably Immigration and ASIS checked into your background and decided that you were OK to get a visa and to become a citizen. And I presume and hope that you would be loyal to Australia, seeing your most recent and probably only oath was to Australia. Although I guess its pretty meaningless except that it would give a legal basis for prosecution.

well its a good job I take about as much care, of you foolish statments as you do about what I'v done befor, I wonder what the OZ's who lie burried under the jack would think, or the poms under the southern cross

If the situation was that you were an Australian , gained British Citizenship and joined the British army, and gave the oath, then hypothetically Australia went to war with UK, which oath would bind you?

My blood would tie me but as this is such an illogical hypnosis it makes about as much sence as your statment that I should return to the UK because I'm british.

Regards
Anthony

I would think that the authorities in hypothetically the UK would consider you as a citizen, and if you acted for Australia against UK, you would be arrested for treason.

I also think it is the duty of immigrants to become citizens as soon as possible and not hang around for years on resident's visas. There are many UK citizens in australia, who never bothered to get citizenship although I think this has now been reduced by new visa regulations.

In the past except for the exception of the UK all immigrants were required to renounce the citizenship of their birth country. The UK was the exception because most of the population comes from there and there is this soppy sentimental attachment,despite the UK hanging Australia out to dry when they joined the EEC, and having Australians join the Aliens and Others queue at immigration.

Regards Philip A

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