Range Rover V'S Land Cruiser

**dullbird** · 31st January 2009, 11:00 AM

what I want to know is if all these cars are so fabulous off road over a landy (I'm not saying there not!) why don't any of us see them off road?

all I ever see is old Toyota's!!! So I'm not sure how anyone can compare models, as I can bet your bottom dollar that these vehicles have NOT be put against each other in the roughest terrain. and I'm not talking a few bumps to get a little angle out of the wheels for a good photo....and being careful not to panel damage a car that has been lent to them for a magazine shoot etc, I'm talking real world off roading not just traversing a gravel track which I'm more than sure any new car could do reasonably well.

No one can say that a defender is better off road than a Rubicon because it can carry more weight and no one can say the Rubicon is better of road than a defender because it has lockers and crawler gears.....SO WHAT its speculation until they are put together on some DIFFICULT TERRAIN and driven by the same person! which they never are on these test........its all hear say IMHO.
Just because you have lockers doesn't mean your going to get places it depends on what you do with them....Ian has follow many locked and lifted cars in his old standard 90 with out a sweat..that has to stand for something

ALL cars have there good and bad points it depends what your compromises are and what you want out of the vehicle.......I think the defender wins every race in regards to be expensive for what it has, but it is a compromise in the fact that it IS an all round vehicle unlike a lot of others

**dmdigital** · 31st January 2009, 11:00 AM

Hasn't Toyota dumped the "hotted up" Hilux and the special vehicles (or whatever they called it) range?

**Ricey** · 31st January 2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by dm_td5

Hasn't Toyota dumped the "hotted up" Hilux and the special vehicles (or whatever they called it) range?

Not sure if it's been dumped (the Hilux TRD) but this article is from April 2008

First drive: TRD HiLux - drive.com.au

**dmdigital** · 31st January 2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Ricey

Not sure if it's been dumped (the Hilux TRD) but this article is from April 2008

First drive: TRD HiLux - drive.com.au

Article from 19 Dec 2008: Toyota dumps TRD - drive.com.au

May only be closing in Australia, but they have also dropped from World Rally and a few other things.

**Ricey** · 31st January 2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by BELLE

Hi , I want to buy a Range Rover wich my hubby once apon a time loved.Since my hubby has seen his mates 200 series he has been drawn back to his love of the land cruiser.This leaves me ****ed off as We had originaly finaly (after much debate!!!)agreed on a hotted up hilux, but now he is saying its too small for our two tall boys. In my opinion if Im going to spend the amount of money as you would on a land cruiser I would love to get the ultimate in my opinion wich is a Range rover!!! And as I have to drive it 90% of the time I think its cruel for him to make me drive an ugly as a hat full of arses land cruiser instead of a hot hot hot fully sick , range rover , unless his ****ed up veiws are correct in wich case I dont know what Ill do......

I guess to help Belle out here, perhaps she could let us know what she wants to use the 'fully sick Rangie' for?

**101RRS** · 31st January 2009, 11:29 AM

Getting back to the original question. 200 vs RR - not Defender, not D3.

I do not think Belle is actually talking about a RR as such, after all a RR is nearly twice the price of a 200 series. I suspect what Belle is comparing is a Range Rover Sport (D3 with a different body) with a 200 series - the RRS is only a bit more expensive.

Or maybe Belle is comparing the relatively new 200 with slightly older RR Vogue - so comparing new with older?

Belle - can you clarify which Range Rover you are actually talking about?

Garry

**rmp** · 31st January 2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by dm_td5

You have obviously not used it. It is significantly better than previous versions. I'm not familiar with the LC200's, but the Jeep owners I've talked to make me think their's is about on par with the Td5's ETC. Again though I have no comparison for the Jeep either.

Just wondering how you know what I've done ;-)

I have driven Puma Defenders offroad. And TD5s for that matter. The ETC is good, but as I said, overall I don't see it being a major leap over the TD5 as the latter doens't have swaybars and thus needs it less. I don't see it being as good as the 200, which again I've driven. Probably about the same as the JK.

Comparing ETCs is quite difficult unless you do a back to back with identical vehicles, unless one is extremely good relative to the others. The problem is working out the test; up a rutted slope you're testing articulation and ability to get weight on the wheels so a car with poor flex and good ETC can do as well as vice-versa. And some are noisy when they come in, some aren't. Plus gearing makes a difference, the Puma can certainly do things in higher gears the TD5 cannot (more torque, better gear spread), which will reduce wheelspin and thus the need to activate ETC. So I take those factors into account too. The ETC and ABS was certainly recalibrated from the TD5 so it is different.

**DiscoTDI** · 31st January 2009, 12:07 PM

Go the Range rover

**Scallops** · 31st January 2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by rmp

Yes I am familiar with the new Defender's ETC. I don't see it being much different, if any, to the version on the TD5;-)

Originally Posted by rmp

The ETC and ABS was certainly recalibrated from the TD5 so it is different.

I'm not sure you know what you think, mate!

But go the Rangie!

IMHO - In 10 years time the 200 series will just be one more old Toyota kicking around that noone will see as anything special. Rangies however have panache, virve and flair - someone will always love them.

**PAT303** · 31st January 2009, 12:28 PM

Sorry rmp but 200 series are rubbish.If I was spending 90 grand on a vehicle I see no reason why I should spend another 4 grand engineering the vehicle to meet Aust design rules.They like all toyota's ever made need a lot of money spent on them just to drive on the road and the quality has gone down hill in a big way,go to your local dealer and climb under one and look at the chassis welding,I think they hire first year apprentice robots to assemble them.I don't care what the mags,diehards say they can't go offroad unless you buy a lot of bumpers and worst of all there in no redundancy in the electrics so you will be stuck fast with something as simple as moisture in the airbox.The problem I see with the 200 is it doesn't do anything good,as already stated the D3,RRS are better inside,very capable offroad and are next to brilliant on it,the tojo is none of those things. Pat

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