Touring 4wd, what would you buy?

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Originally Posted by sclarke

Electronics is far better than it used to be... YES.... but the failure is not the Hardware.... is the Software.....

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But if its software issues then taking along a good diagnostic/ software reset program and associated hardware as part of your toolkit solves the problem. And you get all the benefit of the computer controls ...

Willem

Land Rovers don't run on Windows. Comparing OBC to Windows is a mistake! The Mars Rovers are computer controlled.

SO!

For the benefit of this thread why don't we assume that the chosen vehicle is well maintained, and has had a history of preventative maintenance by a qualified, resourceful and experienced mechanic. That all the bugs have been ironed out, as in most long term vehicles, and that before we go out on our tour we have a nice healthy list of phone numbers and a bin of parts deemed most likely to fail or useful in a crisis!

Then we can, as we do in reality, assume to a high degree, that said dream machine is going to be reliable and we can enjoy the trip in our Twin Turbo LRPV.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...009/04/959.jpg
:D

I prefer to hear the engine, smell the fuel, taste the dust and feel the sweat running down the crack of my BANANA.:angel:

I'm not kidding.........well I could do without the sweat in me Banana:)

Touring the country in an airconditioned, leather seated and computer controlled car is not for me.

Flame on!:twisted:

An L322 and a chain of 5 star hotel rooms..;)

mick way way to much info about the sweat :eek:

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Originally Posted by hiline

mick way way to much info about the sweat :eek:

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Aww c'mon Raymond.....you know you love it.:D:D

I'm with Mick, KISS

No, Kiss in Sequence Sweety

In answer to the original question (haven't read the other posts to see wgich tangent we've all gone off on...) I'm another one which would go for a Unimog.

A long wheelbase crew-cab is what I've got a hankering for at the moment. I've got my eye on a 1700 for sale over here but I need to get my HGV license if I'm to drive it... :twisted:

M

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Originally Posted by willem

What you can or can't do with a D3 in 50 years time is totally irrelevant to the question. If I'm still around in 50 years I'll be 106 and pulling D3s out of sheds will likely be low on my list of priorities! But I reckon you might just be surprised!

I'm interested in what I can tour with now. D3s are brilliant tourers and are demonstrating their reliability consistently. There are of course, breakdowns, like any other car. But I know of no D3 that has been abandoned in the Simpson desert because of the fabled catastrophic electronic failure we hear so much about. Yes I've heard of the one that drowned its computers and couldn't proceed, but at the depth it was in not much else would have survived either - not even a Nissan Patrol.

Really, we don't have any option. Cars are going more electronic. The LC 200 shows that even Toyota has had to go down that path, and Nissan is going that way too. Land Rover has a 15 year jump on them! And as all cars go electronic, either we are going to adapt and learn the new skills required, or we are going to get stuck in some time warp nursing along some great but aging Rangie/ Series Landie/ County/ Defender/ Disco. That might suit you and that's fine, but for a tourer for the general population it just doesn't work.

A good example of this is the forum I was on a few years ago when there were rumours that the new Rangie would have independent suspension. There were many posts bemoaning the lack of off road ability this would cause. People said they would never consider a 4WD without beam axles. But when the new Rangie came out with independent suspension it had far better offroad ability than the car it superseded.

So it is with electronics. Fears of 'catastrophic failures', usually based on the experience of early electronic cars, abound. But as time goes and systems settle down and issues get sorted the electronics get more reliable and they can do things that non electronic systems can't, and they become accepted as part of the norm, with the occasional breakdown seen as just another breakdown problem to be resolved.

The future is electronic. Get used to it or you will be stuck in a time warp nursing along an aging relic.

Willem

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...but, I LIKE my aging relic:o:wasntme:

JC